Trump’s Troubles
 

Finally, one of the investigations/prosecutions comes to a conclusion!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...raud-at-trial/

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Bet they never actually get him over not actually paying any taxes at all as no one seems to be able to look at his actual tax returns.;)

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Although the fine is small this verdict could have serious ramifications going forward, the most serious of consequences in fact

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His tax returns were handed over recently by the irs iirc

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I suspect anything that Trump hands over.He's lasted this long without serving jail time.

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I also expect that any tax evasion issues will be claimed to be other people's failings or ineptitude and nothing to do with Mr Trump.

The man is teflon coated.

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He isn't telfon-coated, things stick to him, he just has insanely loyal supporters. The man literally calls to suspend the constitution of the United States and his MAGA followers cheer him on, they value him above their own country. Him not paying his taxes won't matter.

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He might use his oft used trick of denying any knowledge of (in this case) his own company but usually a close associate or friend up the creek who he needs to distance himself from.

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The "Trump Organization" has been found guilty.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63882140

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As expected they are appealing.

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I predict nothing will actually happen except lawyers making lots of money. If you're rich you can escape justice, poor and black, then tough luck. Crazy country.

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Right, so if you're poor and white, all is rosy ? You really are an idiot. :dozey:

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Sadly, the USA is still a very racist country. Money counts there , but so does the colour of your skin.

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Looking forward to seeing Donny in those stripy clothes. Maybe he'll cut a cover of 'Man of Constant Sorrow"? :D

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Superficially it may appear so and years ago I might have agreed but the number of black men being killed by black police officers kind of contradicts that, the more attention I pay the more it seems to me that if you are poor, without opportunities or indeed hope the more likely you are to run into police that are institutionally violent because of the streets they patrol and the outcome is tragically obvious, there is no easy solution and imo it can't be dismissed just by saying they're racist, it's more complicated than that but where I would agree is that money counts more than anything, more than the colour of skin even

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The democrats want Trump to run in the next election. They see him as beatable, because he’s so toxic.

They don’t want DeSantis to run, as he’ll most likely win.

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Trump is arguing that his anticipated arrest is a Democrat plot. You've neatly shown they have no motive.

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Trump indicted
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...ation-12840161

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Good. However a quick spray with his magic orange teflon oil should see him right.

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In related news…

https://twitter.com/palmerreport/sta...Fx9lsEXWlOa1jg

And, in the interests of balance, Trump’s reply on Truth Social to the indictment.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1680217209

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Indicated?

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"Person, woman, man, camera, TV."…

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Indictment indicated.

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"Lock her up" is coming back to haunt him!

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Sorry everyone.It's the teacher training that tends to hone in on spelling mistakes.

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If you want a laugh have a look at this tweet.

https://twitter.com/JoJoFromJerz/sta...00879357841410

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No chance of Trump of being found guilty of anything. Money and politics rule the US courts. Guilt or innocence are an irrelevance.

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I cannot see Trump doing any time, even if the other pending cases found him guilty, the same lot who invaded Capitol Hill will be out again.

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If l said what l really thought, then l would get banned.
My biggest point is that ' who the hell does Trump think he is' yes, he has money. Yes, he has probably paid hush money.

What he is doing is simply making America a disgraceful place including his supporters.

He incited rioters to ram the White House simply because he felt he had one. He is a like a cry baby without the dummy.

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The dummies are the red neck hicks who believe his bs

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Lock him up? Donald Trump has pleaded not guilty to 34 counts of falsifying business records and conspiracy.

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...dates-12840161

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Yes, he still keeps saying he wants to see Hilary and the Bidens in prison but I just can't see why he thinks they'll want to visit him in there though :shrug:

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A little confused here - surely what checks he writes from his own bank account can be for any purpose ?

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The checks he wrote from his own account can be for any legal purpose.

However, the issue seems to be more about their purpose being illegal ie it's effectively hush money.

Have to confess I can't remember the last time I wrote a cheque!

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They weren’t from his personal account, they were from Trump Company accounts - in the company accounts, they were recorded as being for one thing, but they were actually for something else for which no contract/agreement had been signed; this is, under NY law, fraudulent (falsifying business records).

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It seems half the USA is in a cult and insane. Trump worshippers really are completely bonkers.

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Fortunately I think there are fewer Trump apologists this side of the Pond now. They've seen through what he is and don't care for it. A spoilt rich kid who feels he is entitled to get his own way whatever the law says.

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Fellow man-child Farage is throwing his toys out of the pram on Twitter :D

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He wont be doing time, its just a question of the size of the fine.

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I think we're in for a long battle here.

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Read the indictment, never read anything so incredibly weak. Political persecution it must be.

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I only skimmed it but falsifying business records is a crime, you and I would be done with fraud if we did it. Other than that though I don't see much weakness because they don't give evidence, just accuse him of it.

Feels a bit like Al Capone that they get him on this though if he is guilty.

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As you said, we can't judge the validity of the case without the evidence. However, as the jury felt there is a case to answer, presumably they've seen some of the evidence against him.

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I simply cannot understand how the courts have told Trump to cut out certain talks. Yet, he is blabbing his mouth lout about Biden.

I am surprised how he is being allowed to go for President again, and totally gobsmacked how he hasn't been shot.

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It’s a misdemeanour and it’s also gone past it’s Statute of Limitations, this pathetic Democrat Alvin Bragg prosecutor, upgraded it to Felony, because it some how hides an election crime that 5 other “Federal” prosecutors decided not to pursue at the Department of Justice & FBI. It’s weak sauce, even many anti-Trump folk are saying this indictment is a nothing burger. I agree.

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I've read similar and respect such comments, but I don't think Bragg is to be underestimated. He may have something up his sleeve - certainly, the jury were convinced.

I think it's all about playing the long game. Trump will surely be prosecuted for something, be it inciting the crowd or retaining those classified documents.

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Bragg is on record for stating he’ll get Trump. The judge may still convict him, but all Trump has to do is appeal it at an higher court & it will be thrown out as is it should be.

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Trump may well avoid prosecution on these charges - I've read many quotes from Democrats and Republicans that he will - but it will weaken him for when the other charges hit him.

I also wonder if Bragg is holding something up his sleeve? Certainly, the jury were convinced.

Interesting times.

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It will be a trial by jury - the judge won’t decide his guilt.

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You trust a jury to call it. Ie OJ Simpson ! Word coming across to me is Trump is favourite to return as republican candidate because of the charges!!

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I don't think Hugh is giving an opinion on whether he trusts the jury or not. He's pointing out that it's going to be the jury's decision to decide Trump's innocence or guilt and not the judge's.

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Understand but don't rely on juries to get it right if they did why allow appeals. Trump I think will get off if only by appeal :shocked:

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Seems any judge or jury member will be in fear for their life if they dare say anything against the Holy one. Chances of justice in the USA , are zero.

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Most people I know feel it's a witch hunt , and some are not his supporters be any means:erm:

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Most people I know don't feel it's a witch hunt.

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Most Americans approve of the charges against Trump but believe that he will escape conviction.
https://today.yougov.com/topics/poli...view-case-poll
https://www.axios.com/2023/04/03/pol...cans-democrats

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Of course he will.

Because the charges, or the severity of them, verge on fabrication.

It’s very sad, as what we are seeing is the weaponisation of the US legal system for political means.

The irony compared with past and present totalitarian states is there for all to see.

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The US system has always been like this. It's insane how many parts of the legal system have people elected to positions.

The difference here is that they're going after someone powerful.

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Exactly. Trump actually leaned heavily into the politicisation of the justice system.

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Most people I know really dont care. ;)

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Most of the people that I know and talk about US politics with do . Not defending him just saying what I am being told. However most are republicans or at least not pro democrats :dozey:

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Would they be retirees in Florida, by any chance?

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No ," working," people , college grads , with mostly " own" (or are top of the tree ) businesses. All white or south Asian before you ask:D in fact I don't know any Florida retirees , retirees yes but none in Florida :erm:

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Of course it is. It’s a completely manufactured event. It will drag on for months, if not years. They’ve effectively diced up 1no. misdemeanour offence into 30+, and then tried to dress it up as a felony, which even left leaning commentators in the US think is a stretch.

Trumps ratings are up. The cynic in you would think it’s been planned to up Trumps rating and guarantee he gets the nomination, because they want Trump to run, because they can beat him.

They don’t want an election against de Santis. At all costs.

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Which is a tiny group of people, compared to just less than half of the U.S (Approx 150 Million) think it that it is a political witch hunt. Even people who venomously hate the man, those with Trump derangement syndrome, have said it’s a poor & weak indictment.

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It's not fair. Everyone's out to get Donald and he's such a nice honest bloke.

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The civil trial decision must mean that de Santis will be who the Democrats are up against. The economy is currently booming thanks to Biden's policies so I doubt they will worry too much about de Santis.

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This won't hurt Trump.

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Have there been many Presidential candidates who have been convicted sex offenders? I would have thought a lot of the Religious Right would draw the line at this.

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They didn’t draw the line before and his behaviour wouldn’t have met their standards then. He’s the price they are willing to pay to get their agenda progressed.

I’m no Trump supporter, but there’s obvious defensive lines to this that his supporters will accept and his detractors will not.

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No and neither has Trump.

He wasn’t convicted yesterday, because it’s a civil case.

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Isn't going to go down well with the ladies though, and they make up quite a proportion of the electorate.

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However

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65531098

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However nothing. It’s still not a criminal conviction which matters.

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Take two:

Have there been many Presidential candidates who have been held legally responsible for a sexual assault? I would have thought a lot of the Religious Right would draw the line at this.

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Yawn, this was said prior to 2016 Presidential Election, he still became president, you know when a tape was leaked about grabbing women by their genitalia.

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Matters for what though? He could still run even if he was convicted criminally right?

Everything else is just public perception and the people who've stuck with Trump up until now aren't going to be swayed by a jury finding he committed a sexual assault civil or criminal.

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Could it not help any Trump rival in the GOP nomination race? They could play on his proven predatory behaviour towards women which must offend some Christians? Unless I am misreading the message of the Gospels ..

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Again I think it's already baked in at this point. The people who want Republican policies without all the drama and baggage of Trump have probably already moved to Ron DeSantis. Those who've stayed are dye-in-the-wool loyalists at this point who want Trump more than they want a Republican.

I don't think there can be many people left who, after everything that's happened, have this as the final straw. Maybe in the General Election it's yet another thing in the minus column for Trump though.

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Your take is very depressing. You are in effect saying that what happens in the real world does not affect the voting intent of millions of Americans. Are they that dumb?

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Only saying words matter in the legal sense, many people think he was convicted yesterday, he wasn’t, he can only be held liable in a civil case. The bar for finding someone liable in a civil case is a lot lower than the burden of proof required to secure a criminal conviction and it absolutely, does not count as a criminal record.

Many of his loyalists just see past this as another political hit job. It might knock a few points off his poll numbers, but he’s still way ahead of DeSantis as preferred Republican Nominee.

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No, but Clinton and Biden both should have been.

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Exactly this: any person of reasonably average intelligence could reasonably assume he was a sex pest in 2016. This isn’t news.

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I actually feel sorry for real victims of sexual assault, because we’ve seen time after time, if it’s a presidential/Supreme Court nominee, the go to strategy for the opposing side, is to invent historical sexual predatory actions.

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Is there any evidence that this one was invented or is that just supposition because it’s Trump?

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Yet there are those who, based on their law & order perspective, would not penalise someone for what others say i.e. innocent until proven guilty. They would, however, be more swayed when the US legal system finds someone guilty of an actual offence. I do think this will have an impact but not a major one.

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BREAKING: Special counsel John Durham finds the FBI should not have launched an investigation into former U.S President Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia during the 2016 election - CNN

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Comment made today to me, it's New York what do expect:shocked:

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I would expect the best-educated, most travelled and most ethnically-diverse people to live there.

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Probably why Trump left…

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DeSantis tried to launch his campaign on a Twitter space with Elon Musk but it was a diaster with technical issues derailing the whole thing. Trump probably delighted.

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Once it got going again, it was dull as hell. Wasn’t any energy there.

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Trump advises he's been indicted to appear in court over over those classified documents he couldn't let go of!
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...court-12899189

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Trump could go to prison for 20 year if found guilty of have classified and secret documents in his Florida home.


He even showed them to guests.

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Never going to happen.

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Just a bunch of Trumped up charges....:D

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Has anyone read the summary of the charges? It's incredible. He is quoted saying he had these documents, he could have declassified them as President but now he can't. Other quotes where he is boasting he has these files. Other quotes where he is saying 'I shouldn't be showing this to you so don't get too close', stuff about telling his lawyers not to comply.

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The sign of someone desperate to be liked and needing attention.