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Pierre 18-12-2021 09:08

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36106182)
Every two to three days, was the original estimate.

In today’s Times - going from around 500 cases per day to over 10,000 cases per seems a fairly rapid growth rate in one week…

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...read-2w05d0rwl

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1639776359

That chart is an “estimate”. We’ll know for sure in a week or two

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36106203)
Testing has gone up by 50%, Omicron cases by 2,000%.

Come on Hugh you know the best way to mis-represent numbers is to use %

Testing has increased by 600,000 COVID cases by 40,000. Against last week.

1andrew1 18-12-2021 09:32

Re: Coronavirus
 
Officials drawing up plans for two-week post-Christmas lockdown.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...s-say-12498746

Pierre 18-12-2021 09:47

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36106209)
Officials drawing up plans for two-week post-Christmas lockdown.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...s-say-12498746

It’s just noise now.

jfman 18-12-2021 09:53

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36106209)
Officials drawing up plans for two-week post-Christmas lockdown.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...s-say-12498746

That’ll hurt for the Steve Bakers of this world if it happens. “Freedom” erosion on steroids. Or genetically engineered in a lab if preferable.

papa smurf 18-12-2021 09:59

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36106209)
Officials drawing up plans for two-week post-Christmas lockdown.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...s-say-12498746

Good luck with that.

Chris 18-12-2021 10:33

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36106209)
Officials drawing up plans for two-week post-Christmas lockdown.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...s-say-12498746

In other words, the civil service is doing what it’s there for: preparing policy options which ministers can then pick from.

jfman 18-12-2021 10:38

Re: Coronavirus
 
It’s not the civil servants bit that’s interesting (I agree - they’ll be doing all kinds of contingency planning) it’s the fact it’s clearly being briefed.

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The newspaper quoted allies of the prime minister who claimed he wanted to go down the guidance route, but that he had to be realistic about the threat of Omicron.

Chris 18-12-2021 10:52

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36106222)
It’s not the civil servants bit that’s interesting (I agree - they’ll be doing all kinds of contingency planning) it’s the fact it’s clearly being briefed.

Yes, they’re definitely ‘letting it be known’ - if they’re genuinely trying to keep disruption to a minimum, however, this still doesn’t make further restrictions inevitable. We had a similar situation in Scotland last month when a series of changes to the rules that had been quietly briefed for days suddenly failed to appear.

I expect at the moment they are *hoping* that a combination of high booster rates and a possibly less severe illness from omicron will render curbs unnecessary. But if that doesn’t work out then the appropriate policy option has to be ready to go.

Hugh 18-12-2021 11:12

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36106204)
How's the death rate with omicron doing percentage wise?

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36106205)
Death figures lag the infection figures by about 3 weeks. We won’t know how many people are dying with omicron until the end of the month.

He knew that…

jfman 18-12-2021 11:21

Re: Coronavirus
 
The next straw to clutch at is the hospitalisations/death rate vs the delta wave in summer.

In reality the important question is the hospitalisations/death rate vs delta now with increased vaccine coverage.

To present the former and say “see it’s mild” is skewing the evidence for a comforting narrative. The reality is, based on the growth rate, it needs to be significantly milder than delta in November.

Hugh 18-12-2021 11:22

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36106206)
That chart is an “estimate”. We’ll know for sure in a week or two

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Come on Hugh you know the best way to mis-represent numbers is to use %

Testing has increased by 600,000 COVID cases by 40,000. Against last week.

Not when comparing like for like…

7th December 1,051,987 tests, 54,257 positive
14th December 1,319,891 tests, 87,619 positive

Less than 30% more tests, 60% more positive.

Chris 18-12-2021 11:27

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36106227)
The next straw to clutch at is the hospitalisations/death rate vs the delta wave in summer.

In reality the important question is the hospitalisations/death rate vs delta now with increased vaccine coverage.

To present the former and say “see it’s mild” is skewing the evidence for a comforting narrative. The reality is, based on the growth rate, it needs to be significantly milder than delta in November.

Indeed, Omicron would have to be vastly less lethal to mitigate the ease with which it infects people. It doesn’t matter if only a tiny fraction of its victims get seriously ill if, because it infects them all within a very short time, they all end up in hospital together and we run out of beds. The rate at which we get booster jabs into people is probably more significant here than how lethal omicron may or may not be.

Any comparisons with earlier waves will be interesting in illustrating vaccine effectiveness but ultimately all that really matters in public heath terms is whether our hospitals can continue to function. If it appears that serious illness is going to overwhelm the NHS then back in our boxes we will go.

1andrew1 18-12-2021 11:36

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36106222)
It’s not the civil servants bit that’s interesting (I agree - they’ll be doing all kinds of contingency planning) it’s the fact it’s clearly being briefed.

Agreed. What caught my eye was "allies of the prime minister who claimed he wanted to go down the guidance route". So it's basically there to cover Johnson's back with the Party by disseminating the view that that he doesn't want to go down the route of more severe measures but he may have to.

jfman 18-12-2021 11:46

Re: Coronavirus
 
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/15...liament-square

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A demonstration against mandatory vaccinations has been organised from 12pm at Parliament Square in Westminster. The Together Declaration campaign group arranged the protest after MPs passed legislation on Tuesday to make Covid jabs mandatory for frontline NHS staff from April 1, 2022.
Predictions for the revolution? 5 arrests? A torched car? Punching a police horse?

Wonder if any of the news channels will carry it. The Man U game is off so might as well watch something.

spiderplant 18-12-2021 11:51

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36106165)
Supposed to double every two days isn’t it, that hasn’t happened.

People have changed their behaviour - look at all the reports of cancelled Christmas parties.

The predictions are doomed to be wrong, but that doesn't matter as long as they have the right effect.


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