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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36056287)

FBPE Blue Ticks must be losing money now that The Guardian is giving time to senile former judge Sumption to promote herd immunity.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-mental-health

Here's an article criticising covid restrictions by Sumption from September:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/lord-s...herings-fines/

Indeed he even described the situation in March as 'hysteria':

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1584

I’m not sure what your point is. Once again, you criticise people for their views without actually answering the points they make.

You’d better hope that herd immunity does work with COVID-19, or the vaccines won’t be effective!

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36056296)

You’d better hope that herd immunity does work with COVID-19, or the vaccines won’t be effective!

I think there are two different herd immunity versions being talked about though.

Natural herd immunity - which is what the Great Barrington Declaration suggested. This is the one that most scientists say isn't achievable without massive risk and lots of excess death. It's also never been managed by design with any other disease.

Herd immunity via ongoing vaccination - this is what is normally meant when scientists refer to herd immunity, the one we're all hoping will work, is why a vaccine is being produced, and has a proven history as it was the way Smallpox and Polio have been wiped out in countries.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36056296)

My point is that the same people who have been consistently wrong throughout continue to howl at the moon about reopening the economy ignorant of the fact that the health vs economy is a false comparison.

On that note the spreadsheet whizzes at the Bank of England just injected £150bn into the economy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54824120

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Chancellor Rishi Sunak is set to extend furlough until March, sources have told the BBC.

That's going to cost, our credit rating will start looking dodgy ...

Maybe its an admission that we'll be locked down for most of Winter, with a poss. break for Xmas , which will undo any good done in the lockdown so far. Cancelling Christmas would be the best move, its humbug anyway ;)

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36056343)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54824120

That's going to cost, our credit rating will start looking dodgy ...

Maybe its an admission that we'll be locked down for most of Winter, with a poss. break for Xmas , which will undo any good done in the lockdown so far. Cancelling Christmas would be the best move, its humbug anyway ;)

Which countries aren't having to borrow?
Credit Rating is more about ability to pay it back.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36056343)

Credit ratings are all relative. As long as we are borrowing in GBP it's all good, we own the spreadsheet.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36056345)

Credit ratings are all relative. As long as we are borrowing in GBP it's all good, we own the spreadsheet.

I read your observation before looking at who wrote it.
I knew it would be you!

This HuffPost article makes a compelling argument by detailing the seven points that weren't learnt from the last lockdown.
1. Too slow to go into lockdown
2. Not learning from other countries
3. False hope and poor communication
4. BAME people are still being let down
5. Lack of transparency with figures
6. Parents treated as an afterthought
7. Lack of notice
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...rtan-ntp-feeds

Headteacher apologises.

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36056351)

Headteacher apologises.

Apologises or chastises/castigates?

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36056352)

Apologises or chastises/castigates?

Says it exactly as it is.

Explaining why No. 4 in Andrew's list above is perhaps not the fault of any guidance or instructions ( Or lack of ) by HMG. ;)

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36056353)

Says it exactly as it is.

Explaining why No. 4 in Andrew's list above is perhaps not the fault of any guidance or instructions ( Or lack of ) by HMG. ;)

Spot on.

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36056353)

Says it exactly as it is.

Explaining why No. 4 in Andrew's list above is perhaps not the fault of any guidance or instructions ( Or lack of ) by HMG. ;)

No 4 in Andrew's list is due to social factors in that group rather than susceptibility.

That's my take from the 'Deprivation' aspect: https://assets.publishing.service.go...020_update.pdf

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In summary, people in deprived areas are more likely to be diagnosed and to have poor outcomes following diagnosis than those in less deprived areas. High diagnosis rates may be due to geographic proximity to infections or a high proportion of workers in occupations that are more likely to be exposed. Poor outcomes remain after adjusting for ethnicity, but the role of underlying health conditions requires further investigation.

The 'Ethnicity' section of the above document is only able to report relative numbers, not causes.

For the scientific opinion: https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...67134820303385

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The COVID-19 pandemic highlighted healthcare disparities in multiple countries. As such morbidity and mortality vary significantly around the globe between populations and ethnic groups. Underlying medical conditions and environmental factors contribute higher incidence in some populations and a genetic predisposition may play a role for severe cases with respiratory failure. Here we investigated whether genetic variation in the key genes for viral entry to host cells—ACE2 and TMPRSS2—and sensing of viral genomic RNAs (i.e., TLR3/7/8) could explain the variation in incidence across diverse ethnic groups. Overall, these genes are under strong selection pressure and have very few nonsynonymous variants in all populations. Genetic determinant for the binding affinity between SARS-CoV-2 and ACE2 does not show significant difference between populations. Non-genetic factors are likely to contribute differential population characteristics affected by COVID-19. Nonetheless, a systematic mutagenesis study on the receptor binding domain of ACE2 is required to understand the difference in host-viral interaction across populations.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36056358)

No 4 in Andrew's list is due to social factors in that group rather than susceptibility.

That's my take from the 'Deprivation' aspect: https://assets.publishing.service.go...020_update.pdf

The 'Ethnicity' section of the above document is only able to report relative numbers, not causes.

For the scientific opinion: https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...67134820303385

Doesn't explain how men were twice as susceptible as women, across all racial groups. Everybody keep conveniently forgetting that.
Were the BAME groups more likely to get together in large gatherings? How many wedding parties with 100+ guests have been found out, and how many haven't? Those parties won't have come cheap(so much for the poverty claims).
It's been found even hospital staff were lacking in sticking to hygiene routines. Were the BAME groups generally less likely to stick to the enhanced hygiene routines?

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36056365)

Might it not be that the men go out to work, etc to a much greater extent than women, particularly in some ethnic groups.

Unlike your second and third paragraphs, I have at least provided sources for my suggestions.