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the-cable-guy 22-05-2008 16:53
Re: Freesat: Free satellite TV by BBC and ITV tv to launch!
 
he said that he's already got a quad lnb, so he just needs to add two more runs of cable from the lnb.

JediMaster 22-05-2008 16:59
Re: Freesat: Free satellite TV by BBC and ITV tv to launch!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34557745)
he said that he's already got a quad lnb, so he just needs to add two more runs of cable from the lnb.
correct. but is the dish bolted in position? ie if someone goes up and screws in another line of cable or replaces the one to my sky box with a dual cable in one so no new hole to my bedroom is needed, i dont want the dish to move when someone goes up there.

the-cable-guy 22-05-2008 17:10
Re: Freesat: Free satellite TV by BBC and ITV tv to launch!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JediMaster (Post 34557749)
correct. but is the dish bolted in position? ie if someone goes up and screws in another line of cable or replaces the one to my sky box with a dual cable in one so no new hole to my bedroom is needed, i dont want the dish to move when someone goes up there.
ok the simplest way to explain it is that, your lnb has a little plastic bolt on it which fastens it to the end of your dish & is the only thing that you'd need to change (if you were changing your lnb), as your not then no bolts need to be changed or moved & yes your dish is bolted to the wall. all that needs to be done is to add two more runs of cable with some f plugs at either end. one end is twisted onto your lnb & sealed with waterproof tape & the other end is connected to your receiver. the same goes for both runs of cable & thats it ;)

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just wanna also add that if your dish has been installed properly then it should be very tightly bolted, so it shouldnt move at all unless of course you force it to move. dishes are installed this way to stop them from moving in heavy wind etc.

JediMaster 22-05-2008 17:52
Re: Freesat: Free satellite TV by BBC and ITV tv to launch!
 
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Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34557753)

just wanna also add that if your dish has been installed properly then it should be very tightly bolted, so it shouldnt move at all unless of course you force it to move. dishes are installed this way to stop them from moving in heavy wind etc.
Cheers.... That answers my questions :)

Just 1 point. I saw someplace about a Cable with 2 in 1? So I only need 1 hole in my wall & I get 2x connected? I already have a hole in the wall (for Sky TV) so I could pull it out & replace with a Twin Cable?

What is this Twin Cable called? & I assume I need 2x F Plugs (to go to the Dish) & 2x Males to the STB (if I get BBC/ITV FreeSat

the-cable-guy 22-05-2008 18:07
Re: Freesat: Free satellite TV by BBC and ITV tv to launch!
 
from what i have red that would work as you said yes, however i cant remember what its called sorry. also i have never used those cables myself so i can only go on what i have red, on principle tho it would work as you said.

Losttheplot 22-05-2008 18:44
Re: Freesat: Free satellite TV by BBC and ITV tv to launch!
 
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Originally Posted by Chris T (Post 34557652)
The way satellite TV in the home works is that every individual receiver requires its own LNB at the dish. A PVR has 2 or 3 receivers built in, so requires 2 or 3 receivers. AFAIK you can't buy tri-LNBs, which is why for a three-receiver box like Sky Plus (which lets you watch one channel and record two more) you need a quad-LNB.
I'm guessing Chris has me on ignore or simply doesn't want to answer my previous questions about magic ethernet ports.
Somebody point out to him that Sky+ has two tuners so requires two cable feeds from the LNB. It allows you to record two channels whilst watching a previously recorded programme, not a third channel. The playback from its hard disk does not require a tuner.

Chris 22-05-2008 18:47
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Originally Posted by Losttheplot (Post 34557834)
I'm guessing Chris has me on ignore or simply doesn't want to answer my previous questions about magic ethernet ports.
Somebody point out to him that Sky+ has two tuners so requires two cable feeds from the LNB. It allows you to record two channels whilst watching a previously recorded programme, not a third channel. The playback from its hard disk does not require a tuner.
Not ignoring you, just misunderstanding Sky's advertising. I always thought the 'record two, watch one' meant the one you were watching could be a live broadcast.

Losttheplot 22-05-2008 18:49
Re: Freesat: Free satellite TV by BBC and ITV tv to launch!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JediMaster (Post 34557807)
Cheers.... That answers my questions :)

Just 1 point. I saw someplace about a Cable with 2 in 1? So I only need 1 hole in my wall & I get 2x connected? I already have a hole in the wall (for Sky TV) so I could pull it out & replace with a Twin Cable?

What is this Twin Cable called? & I assume I need 2x F Plugs (to go to the Dish) & 2x Males to the STB (if I get BBC/ITV FreeSat
I think the twin cable is siamese.
You will need two runs, theres no way around it. I'd guess the 2 in 1 device you mention mixes terrestrial frequencies with L band (LNB output) frequencies which are different. Two LNB ouputs are the same range of frequencies so can't share the same cable.

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Originally Posted by Chris T (Post 34557838)
Not ignoring you, just misunderstanding Sky's advertising. I always thought the 'record two, watch one' meant the one you were watching could be a live broadcast.
Sorry Chris, the question I thought you were ignoring is what Freesats ethernet port provides the consumer. i.e what is it for?

the-cable-guy 22-05-2008 18:57
Re: Freesat: Free satellite TV by BBC and ITV tv to launch!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris T (Post 34557838)
Not ignoring you, just misunderstanding Sky's advertising. I always thought the 'record two, watch one' meant the one you were watching could be a live broadcast.
Sky have always advertised them as Losttheplot said.

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Originally Posted by Losttheplot (Post 34557840)
I think the twin cable is siamese.
You will need two runs, theres no way around it. I'd guess the 2 in 1 device you mention mixes terrestrial frequencies with L band (LNB output) frequencies which are different. Two LNB ouputs are the same range of frequencies so can't share the same cable.
thanks for the info.

bonehead 22-05-2008 19:32
Re: Freesat: Free satellite TV by BBC and ITV tv to launch!
 
yes i still have skybox,just dumped sky tv today,what a job,easier getting shut of a bad cold

Chris 22-05-2008 19:38
Re: Freesat: Free satellite TV by BBC and ITV tv to launch!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Losttheplot (Post 34557840)
Sorry Chris, the question I thought you were ignoring is what Freesats ethernet port provides the consumer. i.e what is it for?
Sorry, there's more than one Freesat thread going on, I'm getting confused what I've answered where.

The BBC and ITV insisted on specifying an ethernet port so they can offer VOD-like services via the red-button, and a broadband return path which allows good quality interactive applications that don't require a phone line for dial-up.

A version of the BBC iPlayer and the joint-venture equivalent (called Kangaroo, and involving BBC, ITV and C4) are being developed for Freesat.

the-cable-guy 22-05-2008 20:09
Re: Freesat: Free satellite TV by BBC and ITV tv to launch!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bonehead (Post 34557876)
yes i still have skybox,just dumped sky tv today,what a job,easier getting shut of a bad cold
simple then you can use it to receive the FTA channels & if you keep your viewing card you'l also get the FTV channels ;)

altis 22-05-2008 20:27
Re: Freesat: Free satellite TV by BBC and ITV tv to launch!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JediMaster (Post 34557807)
Just 1 point. I saw someplace about a Cable with 2 in 1? So I only need 1 hole in my wall & I get 2x connected? I already have a hole in the wall (for Sky TV) so I could pull it out & replace with a Twin Cable?
I remember that, some time ago, there was a device that allowed the signal from two LNBs to pass along the same cable. It worked by shifting the output of one of them to a higher frequency band. This probably caused some attenuation problems! I can't remember what it was called and it seems to have sunk without trace. Far easier, and cheaper, to use two (or one siamese) cables.

Chris 22-05-2008 20:37
Re: Freesat: Free satellite TV by BBC and ITV tv to launch!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34557908)
simple then you can use it to receive the FTA channels & if you keep your viewing card you'l also get the FTV channels ;)
Indeed. So long as he's happy with no HD channels and no iPlayer. ;)

Losttheplot 22-05-2008 20:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris T (Post 34557917)
Indeed. So long as he's happy with no HD channels and no iPlayer.
A Sky HD box from ebay will give BBC, Luxe HD (!) and C4 HD once the card is transferred, plus more channels than Freesat (at the moment).
At the moment with Freesat he'd have to be happy with BBC HD and Luxe HD (!)


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