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Damien 08-03-2024 19:36
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36171711)
Do any other religious groups currently have a memorial?
Sikhs do I think

1andrew1 08-03-2024 20:38
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36171711)
Do any other religious groups currently have a memorial?
Yes, many but not Muslims yet.

Pierre 08-03-2024 20:49
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36171714)
Yes, many but not Muslims yet.
Why do they have to be grouped by religion? Surely nationality is the only way they should be remembered? Or regiment they served in.

Are the Gurkhas remembered on a specific Hindu memorial?

I’m all for remembering soldiers that gave their lives for us all, I don’t see why religion is the group dynamic that defines their sacrifice.

nomadking 08-03-2024 20:57
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36171712)
Sikhs do I think
But not with £1m of taxpayer money or a government announcement.

Link

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The statue was created by artist Taranjit Singh and paid for with council funding and donations from Sikh congregations.
A factor will have been:-
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Sikhs made up more than 20% of the British Indian Army at the outbreak of World War One.

1andrew1 08-03-2024 21:04
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36171716)
But not with £1m of taxpayer money or a government announcement.

Link


A factor will have been:-
Council funding is taxpayer funding But if you think it's an attempt to buy Muslim votes, I'm not going to disagree..

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36171715)
Why do they have to be grouped by religion? Surely nationality is the only way they should be remembered? Or regiment they served in.

Are the Gurkhas remembered on a specific Hindu memorial?

I’m all for remembering soldiers that gave their lives for us all, I don’t see why religion is the group dynamic that defines their sacrifice.
Not been there but seem plenty of precedents to group by religion and opportunities for people to have questioned this.

nomadking 08-03-2024 21:12
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36171717)
Council funding is taxpayer funding.

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Not been there but seem plenty of precedents to group by religion and opportunities for people to have questioned this.
Not £1m and NOT central government. It was a local campaign.

1andrew1 08-03-2024 21:37
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36171719)
Not £1m and NOT central government. It was a local campaign.
I didn't say how much it was and whether it was a local campaign or a central Conservative government one. It's still taxpayers that cough up.

Do you think the government is trying to buy votes?

ianch99 08-03-2024 23:09
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171709)
Unconscious bias?
Nah, very conscious objective fact.

Sephiroth 09-03-2024 10:21
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36171723)
Nah, very conscious objective fact.
Makes it worse.

ianch99 09-03-2024 15:50
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171737)
Makes it worse.
Not really. There are those will be always conflate legitimate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. In the same way as those who do the same for Islam and Islamophobia.

The real world is nuanced and some do not/are unable to get this.

Sephiroth 09-03-2024 16:07
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36171764)
Not really. There are those will be always conflate legitimate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. In the same way as those who do the same for Islam and Islamophobia.

The real world is nuanced and some do not/are unable to get this.
I think you need to adjust your simile.

Israel / antisemitism vs Islam / Islamophobia - that doesn't work.

You might as well have said Judaism / antisemitism vs Islam / Islamophobia.

So can you rephrase to get your meaning out, please?

ianch99 11-03-2024 22:02
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171766)
I think you need to adjust your simile.

Israel / antisemitism vs Islam / Islamophobia - that doesn't work.

You might as well have said Judaism / antisemitism vs Islam / Islamophobia.

So can you rephrase to get your meaning out, please?
No, I think my post stands. People criticising Islam can be accused of Islamophobia to shut them down in the same way that people who criticise Israel can be accused of Anti-Semitism. You have seen it here on this forum.

Pierre 12-03-2024 11:12
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36171878)
No, I think my post stands. People criticising Islam can be accused of Islamophobia to shut them down in the same way that people who criticise Israel can be accused of Anti-Semitism. You have seen it here on this forum.
That's fair.


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