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I'm an idiot, I should've checked earlier but the homehub wasn't responding to TBB for the graph.
As I can't be bothered to mess about tonight it was easier to hook up my router as it's all configuered. Here's a live graph. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/04/94.png https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/04/97.pnghttp://www.pingtest.net/result/38294124.png |
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Something funny has been going on with my connection, its been randomly dropping out for a couple of hours, and just checked the TBB ping monitor and you can see the packet loss. It's working again at the moment, just wondering if Vm have taken my complaint seriously and actually started to do something about it. Time will tell |
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Just been on India but unfortunately the lady TS agent was lets just say, not much use,,,,,,,
She wanted to log into my superhub and change a few settings :rolleyes: I politely declined the offer and asked her to check my upstream SNR and she just kept saying my DS power levels were fine lol. Ah well,,,, I will just have to suck it and see this evening again and if it drops out ring back with my fingers crossed. |
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try getting through to UK tomorrow, iv only had one dealing with offshore and it went considerably well. my downstream power levels were well out of spec so she picked it up straight away and booked me an engineer
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Time Priority Description Wed Apr 06 05:59:00 2011 Critical (3) Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC4;CMTS-MAC=;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.0; ---------- Post added at 20:06 ---------- Previous post was at 20:04 ---------- I did notice while the connection was down that the superhub had no IP address |
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Just got off the phone with my contact at the CEO's office, he has finally managed to spot the upstream SNR/noise issue on his system which is causing the modulation to revert to QPSK instead of Qam16, so I asked "shouldn't it be classed as an outage then if the upstream does this"(as I vaguely recollect Igni quoting it should do), to which he agreed it should be so fingers crossed investigations may start to finally uncover the cause. Its probably not going to be an easy fix though but there maybe a shimmer of light at the end of the tunnel, I'm not getting a semi on just yet though. Maybe one of the more knowledgeable can explain how QPSK modulation would/could go undetected on the docsis 3 platform? You watch this will all get sorted just in time for Sky to install their BB on the 14th of this month :rolleyes: |
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I just don't use thinkbroadband for any kind of testing. Although thinkbroadband is ostensibly geared up for 200Mb testing, forinstance, and their ping test is via the same uncongested network as their speed test, their connection to the VM network is very poor. They say they have complained to VM about this, but VM have done nothing. So, their speed test and ping test results probably aren't even worth us discussing if we are on VM.
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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/04/87.png So explain to me why I get so much trouble with my work VOIP phone and gaming? It has to be down to this. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/04/53.png So why do VM 'off shore' ask you for the speedtest and pingtest results. One of them actually asked me to got to these sites to test and asked for my results during trouble shooting. |
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1 - ncuk peer over linx on 2 networks, as well as lonap. ncuk host tbb. VM dont peer over lonap so that leaves linx or external transit, ncuk send traffic to VM over linx. Since tbb intially blamed vM they would appear to be saying VM's linx link is congested however ping graphs and other traffic going over linx doesnt back this claim up. 2 - after the pushing it became apparent the bulk of the speedtest issues were down to one of the tbb speedtest server's, when this was bypassed speed's shot up although some issues remained they were much less severe. Ultimately using the tbb monitor is just a test between 2 end points, so it may not truly reflect generic performance on the connection, but I would say most of the time it should give a reasonable picture of whats going on. |
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From the evidence shown from my TBB results VM have managed to finally track down specific times when my modulation is currently switching from 16Qam to QPSK, the TBB monitor clearly shows the point at which my connection becomes cronically saturated due to the reduced bandwidth available when the modulation switches to QPSK. So for this instance I've found it a very usefull tool. However what the TBB results dont and cant show is when the actual switch from different modulations take place, just when the connection is busy enough to saturate the reduced bandwidth. Either way it's handy to give them a rough time slot for them to check on their diagnostic equipment. |
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This is a true status of my 50mb connection, i have been going on at Vm since mid Dec.. had 7 engineers visit, 3 of these by senior engineers, they swapped me out to super hub (and changed it 3 times), replaced my underground cable 4 weeks ago, its got worse, tonight on speedtest 1.5mb down !!!, the last visit from senior tech said nothing we can do wait for firmware upgrade on super hub... I am giving up, I have took off 9 days for visits, 2 nobody turned up!!, sick of talking to india as they go through the same checks all the time then send an engineer out, I have some recordings of the conversations I had (my answer phone records all tel: .... so chaps any ideas where I go from here..
This was yesterday http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...9-04-2011.html Last Monday http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...4-04-2011.html this is the day I installed the thinkbroadband etc : http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...9-03-2011.html any ideas what I do now, only on 2 occasions on 35 tel: calls did I get to speak to anyone in the uk and guess what they did , promised me to transfer to someone in uk and bump back in india.( i dont mean to say anything about the techs in india, as front line they are good, but once it isnt on there screens , they cannot do anything else but send a tech out, very very frustrating) All recorded!!!!! sorry chaps , the wireless is turned off and all other settings are directed by techs. |
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I'm very jealous of most of the graphs in this thread. Virgin tell me their numbers say theres no problem with my connection.
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I can relate to your first TBB. Mine a few months ago.
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...15-01-2011.png After complaining, it's this now: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...11-04-2011.png Although I'm not on that network anymore. lol Here's mine: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...11-04-2011.png Red line is me changing settings. |
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interesting changes on how superhub acts to vmng300.
here is last mondays superhub graph. Note the average jitter increases a bit during peak, but the yellow spikes never go very high. But they also never go low either. http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...04-04-2011.png here is my vmng300 from monday (partial). The yellow spikes on it noticebly higher however also drops to low levels, the average jitter is noticebly lower. http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...11-04-2011.png My actual performance still has much less jitter and laggyness so I am assuming the reason for the yellow jumping up and down on the vmng300's is a prioritisation system it has on packets, if its too busy it delays the responses. Although I dont think thats the explanation for the 9pm spike. So the superhub graph probably looks overall cleaner due to the missing spikes but I would say the thinner blue line means more and the fact my usage and pingtest.net show very low jitter. 9pm could have simply been congestion since its in the middle of peak but I have not had the superhub do that for weeks. |
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Yes - Im on 30MB and have the superhub - before I was on 20 MB with no problems. Take a look on the community.virginmedia forum and you'll see plenty of people on the same UBR as me complaining but virgin say its below the level needed for them to take action despite me yesterday getting a speedtest result of 0.18 MB !!
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Mine for today:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...13-04-2011.png My old 10Mb one, what the hell has happened?! http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...13-04-2011.png My friend's TBB graph stopped working last night, as his IP changed and turns out he's been moved to a different 'cpc', whatever that is. The one above is on a completely different UBR to him and it's just got massive spikes like that all of a sudden. Intriguing. The UBRs above are heck6-2-0, and the one my friend's connected to is heck4-0-0, and his new graph/UBR is worse. Reseg, perhaps? |
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No. Don't think so.
Put simply there are 4 downstream channels available, all 4 are used for 50&100Mb and one of them for the lower tiers. The lower tiers eg 30mb can lock onto any of the 4 channels. The IP won't change if the modem is switched on neither will the "channel" connected to. If there is work on the UBR a restart may be forced on the modem by VM to "realign" it. |
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mine the last 24 hours has looked rough.
what I have defenitly observed is when I am using moderate traffic the graph noticebly spikes, on the superhub it wouldnt show. That doesnt concern me but what is bothering me is the much higher peak time spikes, so far since I have put the modem in place I havent used my connection at peak as I have not been able to for various reasons. So dont know if it actually translates to performance issues or is just how the modem handles peak time conditions on pings. Could even be the dir615 rather than the modem as its that doing the ping responses. My own smokeping monitoring doesnt show the same spikes however. |
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well after the weekend showed no issues I stayed on pc late today and have done some testing whilst its spiking. pingtest.net still only showing 3ms jitter but reports packet loss :( ssh has a jumping cursor, not that bad but its happening. Also when the cursor is not jumping there is noticeble jitter compared to off peak. So basically my port is struggling on capacity that is supposed to handle uplifted speeds but speeds are not uplifted yet. This also whilst traffic shaped both directions. My thoughts are and its only a guess, that the vmng300 has a smaller queue size to the UBR and its why we see lower latency on it, but during congestion and/or high local utilisation it behaves different as a result. I think my service is going to get rough when the speeds get uplifted unless there is another bandwidth upgrade before then for me. Speedtests are ok but do ramp up slower than usual, stay at max once ramped up. I also have had some feedback in regards to how the vmng300 handles bonding compared to the superhub. What I was told is this. If a channel gets congested on the superhub regardless of utilisation it will auto balance to a lower utilised channel, on the vmng300 it will only do so if packets are been dropped (speed affected). I tested this now and after I did a speedtest the tbb graph settled down to lower jitter again. Can see the big blue spike just after 10pm (speedtest) followed by flatter yellow and thinner blue again. |
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same again tonight was idlish connection spiking high during peak.
10 pings. Pinging bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.138] with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=41ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=117 Ping statistics for 212.58.224.138: Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 13ms, Maximum = 41ms, Average = 17ms then run speedtest, graph goes to low spikes again. 10 more pings. Pinging bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.138] with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=117 Ping statistics for 212.58.224.138: Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 13ms, Maximum = 16ms, Average = 14ms |
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I've noticed a bit of a drop with my Infinity presumably due to the kids hols.
Using BT's own speedtester. Test1 comprises of two tests 1. Best Effort Test: -provides background information. Download Speed 33886 Kbps 38717 Kbps Max Achievable Speed > Download speedachieved during the test was - 33886 Kbps For your connection, the acceptable range of speeds is 12000-38717 Kbps . Additional Information: IP Profile for your line is - 38717 Kbps 2. Upstream Test: -provides background information. Upload Speed 7959 Kbps 10000 Kbps Max Achievable Speed Speedtest.net https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/04/47.png Think I should complain?:D:D:D |
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Pinging bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.138] with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=119 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=119 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=119 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=119 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=119 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=119 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=119 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=119 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=119 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=119 Ping statistics for 212.58.224.138: Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 12ms, Maximum = 28ms, Average = 18ms live graph. This only be up probably whilst I test new firmware tho. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/04/46.png |
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Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
interleaving is a buffer added to add error correction, the higher its set then more latency the connection has. High interleaving will add a lot of latency and can easily triple base latency.
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