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For those panicing about Omicron this may help.

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I’m one minute in and so far I can tell Covid is on the up in almost all age groups, and almost all regions. Is there good news in there?

I think people will certainly be careful, and take personal responsibility by keeping their money in their pockets this December until there is some clarity.

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Once again, like in so many of your judgments, you would be mistaken…

Also, I doubt very much, with your solipsistic outlook, you would adjust for anything or anyone unless it benefited you…

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Why do the scientists want to control us?

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You are advocating enforced isolation for 3.7 million people.

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I hope your designated responsible adult has approved that post.

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Oh dear, bit like a playground round here..

Had my booster at the weekend, Moderna , bit poorly for a day then OK. Can't be as good as the AZN jab because that made me ill for a week!

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You don’t expect Pierre’s personal responsibility to take him outside to catch Covid on a Friday night, do you?

That’s for the plebs.

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Rather than for 60m, wouldn’t you say?

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Because they can.

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I see shield the vulnerable is now stuff the vulnerable. I’m not sure how we can force 60 million people into isolation given many of them live together, and mixing was permitted at various stages of restrictions with some mitigations - e.g. distancing.

How does your economy look without their purchasing power within it?

The communists want to control us, now it’s the scientists.

The irony is that it is you, Old Boy, wanting to restrict freedoms of others for the sake of ideology. Force people to work regardless of whether it’s safe. Force people to commute. Force people into bars and cafes to keep them viable.

All fundamentally because, I suspect in your head, you plan to stay in for a few months until it blew over. So the sooner others got on with it the better.

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No, it’s shield the vulnerable. What are lockdowns - your solution - if not isolation?

Lockdowns will not eliminate the virus - although you don’t seem to understand this point.

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The scientists have been trying to control our actions and what we can and cannot do since Covid arrived, and now it’s become a habitual knee-jerk response to everything. Some are making no secret of the fact they want to see mask wearing and social distancing forever more.

And what do you mean by ‘ I suspect in your head, you plan to stay in for a few months until it blew over’? Where does that come from? Nobody stops me from going out, sunshine.

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Again you deliberately conflate restrictions with lockdowns. Proving my point that debating with you is an essentially meaningless exercise because you fail to consider the points that are actually being made to you. Have you even considered if the economic impact of "shield the vulnerable", plus those self-selecting their way out of the economy and the WFH brigade outweigh the economic impact of some mitigations? You yourself couldn't name a single activity you wanted to do but could not directly before so-called "Freedom Day". Of course you haven't - because it's purely ideological.


Burying your head in the sand won't bring back a 2019 economy either.

I've yet to see anyone say that those are required forever - this is pure speculation on your part and scaremongering.

I mean the words I say - they are clear and unambiguous statements. You don't see me shifting goalposts so read it back to yourself, interpret it as you wish and take it from there.

I note you specifically say "nobody" stops me from going out - not "nothing" stops me from going out. These have two distinct meanings. I didn't at any stage deny that you would be making an autonomous choice in taking the proposed action. Sunshine.

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Jffers, get a beer.....:D

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I was hoping you would step up and assist an older person with obvious cognitive issues.

Bless you.

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I'd help you cross the road, anytime old chap :)

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Even if the double jabbed that get infected, aren't able to pass it on, they must have caught it from someone who DID pass it on. The number of double-jabbed and infected, indicates how many infectious people are still out there.

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There’s not many be so kind. Bonny lad.

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There's only about 50m double jabbed so still a fair few to go.

I notice SAGE are at it agin trying to instil fear.

Trying to justify their jobs perhaps?

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What do you propose? Not monitoring?

As we are two years in on our fourth major variant (other areas of the world have saw others) I'm not convinced pretending it's not out there is a viable solution.

If vaccines are to become annual affairs, as many expect, monitoring is essential to find out how to tweak each vaccine.

This is what living with the virus looks like.

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Maybe you should try watching all of it instead of 1 minute :erm:

Basically, "dont panic".
There is lots of hype about Omicron, but little to back it up atm.
Its likely to be a lot less of an issue than you think and could even just fizzle out, like beta did.

Oh, and covid cases (in general) are going up in most of Europe, but not so much in the UK.
Probably because we "unlocked" in the summer, they didnt, plus the added effect of boosters.

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Same old, same old. All this has been explained in previous posts. I’m getting off your merry go round now. You’ve had your fun, but you haven’t won.

As long as the PM keeps his nerve when so many lefties are panicking, we’ll be just fine resisting the panic measures these people are advocating.

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You are the one pretending there’s a crisis here in the U.K.

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As we all know the British public respond well to “don’t panic”.

What you call ‘hype’ is grounded scientific analysis. While it may be that in practice vaccine efficacy holds up better than predicted, or the increased transmissibility seen to date is actually a fluke of a small number of superspreader events.

That doesn’t mean caution shouldn’t be considered. Individuals will take it upon themselves to exercise caution regardless until the data is clear.

Country comparisons suddenly valid because (relatively) we have looked in line with everyone else for a few weeks is a strange one, but it’s a long winter.

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No answers but once again trying to portray this as a left wing ruse. My good news for you is Boris has such a great track record at not panicking.

Enjoy living with the virus off the merry go round. Do come back when restrictions are reintroduced, if so just for my entertainment.

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NHS allows GPs to postpone health checks for over-75s to focus on booster jabs

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-nhs...-jabs-12486013

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....11.21266068v2

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All three of my jabs have been administered by a nurse . . . no doctor in sight

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I’d always rather have an injection from a nurse than a GP, same if I had to give a blood sample. They do it much more often and are almost always better at it.

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Sacrifice the elderly so perfectly healthy young people can get vaccinated for a third time.

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It’s apparently perfectly acceptable to ignore/marginalise the vulnerable to allow the majority of society to continue.

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Or, we could not have an estimated shortage of forty odd thousand doctors ? Not to mention approximately the same again in nurses

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59534685

At least a decent measure.

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Brits stuck abroad having to pay for two weeks in a hotel at Christmas prices is going to be an entertaining read in the Mail/Express/Telegraph.

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yep, can't remember the last time I had an injection given by a doctor . . . which is why the headline posted by Papa seemed a bit silly . . to me anyway.

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Don't some GPs' practices need nurses with the doctors though in appointments? If the nurses are vaccinating that reduces what they can do there.



The elderly have been triple jabbed. If evidence shows that younger age groups need that to slow down the virus spreading there and making people ill, then that is the priority. The health checks are after all in people who are not presenting illness, though they are useful as a warning sign of some illnesses.

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No, its hype.

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All of mine have been done by whoever is working at the vaccination centre.
I'm pretty sure none of them were doctors, so probably nurses, I never asked.

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Absolutely. Those who claim that all these decisions are based on the science and use this to justify emergency measures of whatever description happily ignore that principle when rushing to tighten the screws when a new variant comes along ‘just in case’.

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Rubbish Old Boy. Hype doesn’t put people in hospital.

Your preference to deny the threat of variants is irrelevant to reality and scientific consensus, but that’s not novel.

We’ve got a track record of ignoring the inevitability of restrictions and reacting too late. So to claim that those advocating the precautionary principle are somehow controlling policy making is palpable nonsense.

We can see the reality on the ground in Gauteng - infections rising exponentially and hospitalisation following. We need a better rationale for it not happening here than British exceptionalism or luck. Then again as your opposition to restrictions is neither grounded in public health - or the economy (still waiting for your proposals to support hospitality as people act with caution) - it’s unsurprising you fail to consider reality in reaching the same conclusion you have done for almost two years now.

Hence your increasing absurd claims that scientists and communists are conspiring to control people but fail to answer the fundamental questions of any conspiracy theory. Why? To what end? Who benefits?

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Vaccines, my dear chap, vaccines. Statistically, they make all the difference, you know.

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So much that we are frantically boosting everyone, and as I predicted vaccinating children against the wishes of Britain’s greatest behavioural scientists, as fast as we can.

Estimates put the previous infection rate in Gauteng at rates as high as 80%. Are you finally renouncing “natural immunity” and the Great Barrington Declaration? Quite the significant, if unsurprising, climbdown if so.

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I really don’t know what you are basing your opinions on, jfman. You seem to read an awful,lot into my posts which is not there.

Of course we are boosting everyone, that’s how we reduce pressure on the NHS, although I must say I don’t agree with vaccinating children as there is no demonstrable benefit to them from doing so.

Once again, you are putting emphasis on infection rates rather than hospitalisations. The combination of vaccinations and infections will help us to get to the herd immunity that we have talked about so many times.

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Bless, still stuck in mid-2020.

You’ll get there eventually. If Covid doesn’t get you first.

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Do you need a new knife?

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:zzz: Nothing new going on in this thread apart from the usual so called point scoring

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What do behavioural scientists know about vaccines and viruses? :dunce::dunce:

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We didn’t have vaccinations until very late in 2020, so I’m not sure I understand your point.

Currently, infections remain high and hospitalisations remain low and falling. That’s due to the vaccination programme.

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Managed to get my booster at a walk-in clinic, fed up of waiting the NHS website to open it up a week after the Government said everyone should get it.

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Should get it is an arse covering term with no guarantee you will get it;)

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Hit the gin early this morning ? ;)

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over 90% of the population have COVID antibodies.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...hts/antibodies

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You've misread it, Pierre. It's over 90% of adults, not over 90% of the population.

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close enough for me.

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Don't get why you think that!

If 74% of the UK population are adult and 90%+ vaccinated, then the vaccination rate for the UK population is over 70% not over 90% as you claimed.

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Yes, but as COVID in the main affects adults with severe illness and not children (and we're not even vaccinating U12's).

Then it's a very high %.

we should rejoice, no need for lockdowns or other measures with %'s that high.

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Stay at home if you have a cold this Christmas, says professor
People with cold-like symptoms should work from home and avoid Christmas parties in a bid to stem the spread of coronavirus, according to Tim Spector, from the COVID Zoe app.

The professor of genetic epidemiology at King's College London told Times Radio the UK should be "much more open-minded about who we are testing" and "get more people to isolate at least for a few days with cold-like symptoms".

"At the moment, we're estimating that somewhere between one and three and one in four colds are actually due to COVID," he said.:omg:

"And so that's quite a high rate of people that are currently not even bothered to get a lateral flow test, or getting a PCR test, going to parties and spreading it around.

"So if that transfers to Omicron then we're going to be compiling that problem much faster than we would need to."

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...dates-12469075

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. . and as the Omicron symptoms - up to now - are believed to be quite mild, that's what's going to happen.
Having said that, how many of us ever did take a test for a tickly cough and sore throat?

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And it’s irrelevant against Omicron. Over 80% of Gauteng are believed to have been infected in previous waves, with some now on their third bount of Covid. Excellent news for the Great Barringtons among us that “natural immunity” isn’t immunity at all. The evidence was also showing substantial waning of vaccine efficacy against Delta so that has inevitable consequences.

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I’m not sure hoteliers and restaurant owners can pay the bills with your rejoice from the safety of sitting at your keyboard.

Once again your opposition to any restrictions is ideological and not grounded in any evidence whatsoever.

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Happy to read your source.

However, all the news stories I can find on Omicron all trace back to this one paper:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...068v2.full.pdf

Where a study of 2.8m people previously infected found that 35,670 had been reinfected. A whopping 1.27%

There is no real data on whether Omicron can evade current vaccines, or the severity of illness

I don't know about "substantial" but isn't that why we're having boosters anyway?

Oh. well I spent a lovely week in Bridgnorth last week, and I've been to the pub for a steak dinner pretty much every week for several months, so I've been doing my bit for the hoteliers and landlords.

And things are going so well in Australia, New Zealand and Europe. Yes, restrictions are the answer................

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There's a few that should take a mental competency test.

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In the small amount of time since discovery 1.27% is quite a lot considering exponential growth.

There’s enough for everyone to hit the panic button.

So you accept vaccines are waning and your simplistic “how many people have antibodies” statistic is absolutely irrelevant.

Ironic for the thread sociopath to question the mental competency of anyone.

So pray, tell Pierre at what threshold for hospitalisations and deaths would you bring in restrictions?

Because ultimately if you have no threshold participating in an evidence based discussion with you is pointless.

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I'm not a statistician but 1.27% applied to anything is small, or is that what you tell your girlfriend?

You don't need evidence of anything to cause panic, as we have seen.

I accept that, like a flu jab, the efficacy of the vaccine against COVID will vary, and annual or bi-annual vaccines may be required. The higher the immune response in a population can only be a good thing n'est pas?

I wouldn't. We have vaccines.

But if the evidence shows you don't need a threshold................

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It’s always the tell that you are rattled when you resort to the petulant insults.

A massive climbdown in a mere two posts.

At least confirmation that regardless of what the evidence says you will always reach the same conclusion. As many of us have long suspected.

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no, I’m just very immature.

how so?

What does the evidence say?

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The T-cells are also important in fighting all infections.

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Happy News from me........

On 12th of November both my parents tested positive for Covid my Mum recovered after a few weeks but my Father's Oxygen levels were low so an Ambulance was called, after 1hr lying in the Ambulance queue outside A&E he was eventually off-loaded, but then spent a further 3hrs waiting to get a bed.

As if catching Covid wasn't enough for a 79 year old with very little immune system he was also diagnosed with Pneumonia and Sepsis!

He was put on Oxygen and Antibiotic, it got to the point where he was struggling to breath and I generally thought I wouldn't see him again!

But with the odds stacked against him he has recovered enough for him to be taken off Oxygen, he's still weak and needs help walking as his lungs need to recover from the pneumonia but he has now been sent home and I have just had a 17min video chat with him and from what I see of his face and the way he was talking so confidently looks so happy.

He had been double vaccinated and boostered but was told he would have been in ICU if he hadn't of been or worse.

Big smile again from me.

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Very happy for you SnoopZ. Hopefully now he's home he will be able to make a good recovery. xx

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Glad he is recovering buddy

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Thank you. :)

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If Javid’s right and there’s hundreds of folk out there with with it not knowing it, household contacts not self isolating, etc. get your money on a Christmas lockdown. And lockdown lockdown not you can go to the pub with 4 mates from 3 households wearing a mask restrictions.

When’s the school holidays in England that’s a good starting point a free couple of weeks.

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Not going to happen

Unless the NHS is put under a sustained significant risk of collapse and there’s a major uptick in deaths then the economy comes first.

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They’ve always taken that stance and consistently proven wrong so I’d not put too much weight into their intentions. There’s a number of cases that’s going to be a breaking point, the question is whether this variant is enough to push it there.

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Exactly how is that scenario any different from any day since we opened back up?

The fact that the vaccinated (which is just about everybody nowadays) can catch and transmit, means that will always be the case. It will circulate around the population probably until the end of time.

You should work for Sky or the BBC.

Deaths and Hospitalisations have been in steady decline since the end of October. There would have to be a significant upturn in the next two weeks for it to be even considered.

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I think the vaxs and booster will make the difference from last year - I don’t think anything will change (drastically) before Christmas, because if there is any rise in hospitalisations/deaths due to Omicron, it will take a couple of weeks to get to a noticeable rise (if it happens).

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The breaking point won’t be cases it will be the number of hospitalisations/deaths that triggers.

We’re on for an ‘interesting’ few weeks whilst the formal data comes in, anything at the moment is pretty much anecdotal.

Right now imho we should have wfh where possible introduced asap

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Anything largely comes into the "suspected but not known" or "not enough data to prove" category at the moment as this variant has been only known for a couple of weeks.


Now, chances are this was around much longer. It may well be that a fair amount have had colds or something and just dismissed it as such when actually that was covid.



Dr Fauci has I believe joined the "it's a milder illness than the other variants" camp today, but that surely isn't known yet, given that it takes a week or two to see the effect on hospitalisations.


I really don't think it will be this month we will know on that count in any real detail, by which point vaccinating adults with 3rd doses should be much more under way, schools will have been off, I think a lot will put their own breaks on Christmas mixing, a lot will choose to work from home, which will reduce the numbers of contacts people have, and it's little surprising that those are two of the places where transmission of any virus is high.


Let's also not forget as JVT and others have recently said any vaccine escape is going to be partial not complete, is still likely to protect against severe disease, and is likely to be increased the more vaccines you have. There is no suggestion that there will be total escape from Omicron and the vaccines were never designed to stop people getting covid.


And let's be fair a lot of what was said here (more transmissible, more people getting it, vaccine escape) was said about Delta too. And there were various estimates initially which did fluctuate as to how bad that was, and it turned out the vaccines largely still worked.


If hospital admissions do stay down, then it's likely this will just blow over, and that's where the Government have always really thought with restrictions. Cases can be misleading, even the PCR test inventor said that it doesn't detect whether someone is infectious, it just shows that the sample had the same sample they are looking for from the virus. And even with the way we measure hospital admissions it doesn't necessarily include just people who have presented with a severe covid infection, it could be someone who broke their arm playing football and registered a +ve covid test on arrival without any covid related issues, or not serious ones. From what I saw the other day that seems to be the issue in Gauteng too.


So it's important not to draw too many conclusions at this stage, and not to assume that it will either be OK or the end of the world or probably any stance in between. You can be sure that the scientists who matter are looking at it.

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I would have done that way before masks in shops.

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They follow each other in the long run and deep down they know that.

The school holidays has the difference of mitigating the economic impact and providing a natural point for a circuit breaker. Worst case scenario they overegg it by accident, ease pressure on the NHS and roll out a few million boosters.

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Why are you so sure that the vaccinations won’t work? Do you have any evidence for this inexplicable view?

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There’s nothing inexplicable about it, OB.

Why do you think the rush to boost and extend eligibility? The JCVI didn’t need 3 months to make a decision on that one.

These aren’t chance actions - they are conscious choices based on the analysis of the emerging data available. The data already supported waning efficacy vs Delta. Omicron has mutations linked to vaccine escape in both Beta and (I think) Gamma. Vaccine manufacturers themselves acknowledge this the question is just how much.

Bear in mind Delta knocked a chunk off of the vaccine efficacy vs Delta. What would be inexplicable is to assume that Omicron wouldn’t even if there was no scientific data that it does.

There’s no reason to sit back, do nothing and hope for the best. The question marks are what to do, and when.

If you genuinely believe there’s nothing in this, and this time believe that the Government will push through regardless despite scientific advice and do nothing, then I’m happy to leave it there rather than go around in circles because we won’t agree.

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We are reaching a point where people are sick and tired of restrictions and are actively not complying this has been going on for so long fatigue is settling in restrictions are not a realistic option for much longer unless increased social unrest is the goal. As we've learnt to live with flu so we will have to live with covid which isn't the mass killer some would have us believe. Dealing with the other aspects of covid won't be so easy.

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Good news on this thread for a change :tu:

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I had my Moderna booster earlier.

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You can't really have a variant for something that's never been isolated , but you can have a test PCR at 45 cycles will turn pure water into some false positives

https://odysee.com/@katie.su:7/kateinterviewsstefan3:a

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2008-3.pdf

This is the original paper on the discovery of the new 'virus ' it simply describes aligning short sequences of RNA to look like a longer one

Data processing and identification of the viral agent
Sequencing reads were first adaptor and quality trimmed using the
Trimmomatic program32. The remaining 56,565,928 reads were assembled de novo using both Megahit (v.1.1.3)9
and Trinity (v.2.5.1)33 with
default parameter settings. Megahit generated a total of 384,096 assembled contigs (size range of 200–30,474 nt), whereas Trinity generated
1,329,960 contigs with a size range of 201–11,760 nt.

Trinity results debunk the whole thing

Spike protein was invented not seen

Analysis of the RBD domain of the spike protein of WHCV
An amino acid sequence alignment of RBD sequences from WHCV,
SARS-CoVs and bat SARS-like CoVs was performed using MUSCLE41.
The predicted protein structures of the RBD of the spike protein were
estimated based on target–template alignment using ProMod3
the longest
(30,474 nucleotides (nt)) had a high abundance and was closely related
to a bat SARS-like coronavirus (CoV) isolate—bat SL-CoVZC45 (GenBank
accession number MG772933)—that had previously been sampled in
China, with a nucleotide identity of 89.1%

The bat coronavirus was also insilico ( invented on a computer from short sequences ) and was 89% similar to the reconstructed short sequences found in lung fluid , this is about as similar from a human to a cat .

The main thing missing from all of these papers are control experiments , none of them are scientific.

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Anyone got a translation for this?

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put a tin foil hat on, it will all make sense

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LOL (Im no wiser either btw) :)

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You are now the only person I know who has had Moderna.

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What it really said



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My wife and I had it as a booster.

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Cases rose a little at the end of November, but look to be falling again atm.
Deaths have been in decline since the start of November, no sign of that altering [yet].
Hospitalisations fell through most of November, with a very slight rise on the last two days.

Deaths and Hospitalisations are a fraction of what they were last January, and also much lower than 12 months ago (and not rising alarmingly as they were then).

Case counts are about the same as 12 months ago and lower than their Jan 2021 peak.
Since mid July they have loosely hovered around the same level, higher some weeks, lower others.
Cases counts alone are not really a major problem (just a weapon for the fear mongers) the majority just shake it off.

The concern would be if serious infections and deaths started to shoot up, there is no indication of that atm.

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Its the original publication from nature .

Tin foil hats not needed , but religion is if you believe in something based on faith . Just read the publication , if you don't understand something you can always ask.

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That just about sums it up, Paul.

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Pretty much the opposite , they took some lung fluid , aligned it to a predetermined template bat coronavirus using software called megahit . If you do this with non infected people you will get the same result .

The article debunks itself because with a stricter assembler they didn't find the longer sequences because it didn't exist. Its in the paper

They can claim high abundance in humans to a pig or a banana .

People actually believe they found a spiked protein structure in humans and then sequenced its rna and this is what's found in 'infected people'

Even these claims are not made in the papers .

PCR tests for a fragment of this nucleic acid sequence , not a virus . They also don't check the results of what was amplified in PCR , most people know after 25 cycles it starts creating all sorts of sequences that were not present in the original sample , go to court with forensics and it would be thrown out at more than 12 cycles .

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methods section , not the claims section .

Its claims 89% similarity , we are 98% similar to a pig , this ain't similar at all .

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Cases (by specimen date) are only falling in the last week because that’s what always happens due to processing time, cases by date reported are up almost 10% in the last week vs the previous 7 days.

Even then by specimen date 29 Nov-1 Dec had more cases than any date since mid-July. If there’s something underlying driving that rise it won’t take many 10% weekly rises to push hospitalisations into a bad place and deaths follow.

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“Covid deniers live in a basement and have difficulty processing events in the real world”.

Or thereabouts.

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This piqued my curiosity so I pulled the SARS-Cov-2 genome (link) from a genome database and crunched it through some software to see if it aligned with human sequences (BlastN search, a standard search tool for aligning genomes) At first, a got many hits but they were all SARS-COV-2 which at least shows the tool works! I filtered on human DNA and RNA and got, wait for it......

No significant hits

If these guys are pulling genome sequences from lung fluid, it aint human genomic RNA or mRNA.

RT-PCR testing is cycle dependent, that's why quantitative RT-PCR is used so you can see how many cycles are needed to get a signal. It's also why multiple targets are used to compensate for any issues with incorrect results. It's also why negative controls are used for every test plate. RT-PCR isn't perfect but if you have the right controls in place, it is pretty robust

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You’re only saying that because you’re trying to "control*" us… ;)

*because you can

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Ha ha. :D

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Do the same for RaTG13 ;)

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In a shocking development, there is a 93% identity between SARS-COV-2 and RaTG13 (bat coronavirus) spike proteins. Who would have thought eh?

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Bloody hell, can all you scientific lot slow down for those of us that are thick please ;)

Is SARS-COV-2 just a different name for Covid 19? I'm getting lost and a little uninterested in all these fancy acronyms etc :D

Is there a 'clever' name for Flu and pneumonia?

Re: Coronavirus
 

Apparently the one for a cold is A715H00.....

Re: Coronavirus
 

Covid-19 is the name of the disease caused by a coronavirus called SARS-COV-2.

Flu is influenza, which is the name of both the disease and a family of viruses that can cause it.

Pneumonia is an inflammation of the alveoli within the lungs, and can be caused by any number of things getting in them that shouldn’t be there.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Interesting Twitter chat between Andrew Neil and Julia Hartley-Brewer. He's coming across in a statesmanlike manner.