Cable Forum - Coronavirus

Do we do that for any other virus ?
I think the whole thing is bordering on ridiculous.

Once people are vaccinated, I see no reason to treat it any different to the flu, or other virus infections we immunise ourselfs against.
There is nothing special about covid, other than we had zero immunity to it at the start, that will no longer be the case.

papa smurf

22-01-2021 19:16

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36067617)

And by what mechanism could they ever conclusively prove it? Are you going to volunteer to be in a confined space with others and then deliberately infected, in order to prove it, one way or the other?

Maybe, it's possible, there is a probability, scientifically speaking.

jfman

22-01-2021 19:24

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36067619)

We don't do it for any other virus but the alternative will be to maintain restrictions for longer - and nobody wants that. Alternatively there will be the time/money/effort to rapid test people (including those who are vaccinated) which is a burden that nobody organising an event will want to do.

There will also be concerns around the emergence of a potentially vaccine resistant variation which would place us back at square one with the huge inconvenience, and economic cost, of lockdowns.

So a 'vaccine passport' will be seen as the ultimate mitigation in the short/medium term and the only way to guarantee safety in international travel/large events.

It'll also serve as a 'nudge' for some of the anti-vax brigade.

Hugh	22-01-2021 19:36

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36067620)

Maybe, it's possible, there is a probability, scientifically speaking.

Anything that is probable must by definition be possible; however, not everything that is possible is going to be probable.

Paul	22-01-2021 19:46

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36067621)

We don't do it for any other virus but the alternative will be to maintain restrictions for longer ..

Why ? Once its under control, what is the need for this ?

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36067621)

There will also be concerns around the emergence of a potentially vaccine resistant variation which would place us back at square one with the huge inconvenience, and economic cost, of lockdowns.

This is possible with any virus (with the flu again being an obvious example).

If we stopped doing things because of potential 'concerns', we would never actually do anything.

It seems the media really have done a great paranoia job on everyone.

Mad Max

22-01-2021 19:51

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36067624)

Why ? Once its under control, what is the need for this ?

This is possible with any virus (with the flu again being an obvious example).

If we stopped doing things because of potential 'concerns', we would never actually do anything.

It seems the media really have done a great paranoia job on everyone.

Totally agree with that, project fear at it's worst.

RichardCoulter

22-01-2021 20:03

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I think it's because it can kill people of all ages (even without any underlying conditions);there are some people in their 30's & 40's in our local hospital right now.

I know flu can kill too, but it's not usually fatal for those under pension age.

Pierre

22-01-2021 20:07

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36067619)

Yes we need a TB passport, MMR passport, do I also have to prove in the future when I go to any events that I don’t have Ebola?

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36067625)

Totally agree with that, project fear at it's worst.

That’s the whole point, I’ve said it many times. A frightened population is a more easily controlled population.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36067626)

Nor is Covid.

nomadking

22-01-2021 20:09

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36067627)

Yes we need a TB passport, MMR passport, do I also have to prove in the future when I go to any events that I don’t have Ebola?

Yellow Fever.

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Who should have the yellow fever vaccine
The yellow fever vaccine is recommended for people from 9 months of age who are travelling to:

an area where yellow fever is found, including parts of sub-Saharan Africa, South America, Central America and Trinidad in the Caribbean
a country that requires you to have a certificate proving you have been vaccinated against yellow fever

WHO

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International certificate of vaccination or prophylaxis
International Health Regulations (2005)
As of 15 June 2007, the model international certificate of vaccination or prophylaxis contained in Annex 6 of the International Health Regulations (2005) replaced the international certificate of vaccination or revaccination against yellow fever contained in appendix 2 of the IHR (1969).

Pierre

22-01-2021 20:16

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36067630)

Yellow Fever.
WHO

But that is to prove that you have been vaccinated against a disease that is prevalent in a country you are going to.

Do people that live sub-Saharan Africa, South America, Central America and Trinidad in the Caribbean have to prove they’ve been vaccinated against yellow fever to go to the football or cricket, or to leave the country, or go on a cruise?

jfman

22-01-2021 21:05

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36067624)

Why ? Once its under control, what is the need for this ?

Yes, once it's under control. If/when that happens remains to be seen. When it can be described as 'under control' wicked ve different.

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None of them have came close to overwhelming the NHS or caused as many death or hospitalisations.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36067627)

Yes we need a TB passport, MMR passport, do I also have to prove in the future when I go to any events that I don’t have Ebola?

None of these things present a risk in the UK.

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That’s the whole point, I’ve said it many times. A frightened population is a more easily controlled population.

Nor is Covid.

I really doubt these capitalists are crashing the world economy to not profit from fear. Except maybe Dido Harding.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36067631)

The alternative is longer lockdown.

Pierre

22-01-2021 21:12

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36067633)

None of them have came close to overwhelming the NHS or caused as many death or hospitalisations.

The flu never came close to overwhelming the NHS?

Not in 2015?

https://www.uhs.nhs.uk/aboutthetrust...dmissions.aspx

Not in 2018?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...s-Britain.html

Or 2019

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ople-week.html

The NHS is always under constant threat of being Overwhelmed by the flu, every year............except this year, because the flu has decided not to bother this year as it’s big brother Covid is here. 2020/2021 the flu is awol.

jfman

22-01-2021 21:13

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36067636)

Covid does it with the restrictions in place. Flu does it with widespread mixing.

I'm not sure who benefits from this type of widespread denial of the seriousness of Covid.

Mad Max

22-01-2021 21:18

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Looks like a few people are disputing the seriousness.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

jfman

22-01-2021 21:47

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36067638)

Looks like a few people are disputing the seriousness.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

Every time. :D

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