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I see why they won't do it, I was just asserting that they won't.
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Hopefully alt nets drive coverage and competition.
As you say if one becomes national (or the sum of them does) then it represents competition at a national level. As Pierre pointed out earlier though as it’s cost prohibitive to deploy the challenge is if there’s someone already there (FTTP or Virgin) and you are fighting over market share from Day 1 it’s often more appealing to go elsewhere. |
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I guess they are planning on significantly undercutting them, with a product that can easily be scaled to XS-GPON and beyond for little additional cost (no need to replace any cables etc, unlike the work VM have to do for node splits). I mean, 20x the upload for more than 1/3rd less than Gig1, with much better latency than DOCSIS can achieve? Hell, in the case of toob it's £25/m to £64/m from VM. You'd be a fool not to switch. VM can of course do GPON over their fibre in RFoG areas, it can coexist with DOCSIS, but that raises the "national product" issue again. That said I've heard that CF are not achieving the level of penetration they hoped for. Personally I think this is at least partly down to lack of hype/advertisement. Most people here in Ipswich don't even know they exist or are rolling out. |
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And yes, replacing RFoG with XGPoN is very much in development and will be deployed as soon as. |
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Pierre - have VM said anything publicly on overbuild?
Not disputing your posts here - 100% sure you are correct. I'd be quite interested to read more if in public domain just out of curiousity. |
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As I said, wasn’t disputing it will be interesting to read about it when they go public.
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In my streets in Coventry we have the old NTL network, but a few streets away, where VM previously had nothing, they have installed FTTP as part of their new Coventry South network. VM doesn't offer these customers any products different to what they offer on NTL cable. FTTP hasn't been fully exploited. So, at what point do VM offer a full symmetrical service on their new fibre and on the fibre over-building existing cable? Is the answer to this question more to do with VM's network architecture than fibre or cable? |
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They can do gpon and rfog (for TV etc) over the same fibre with wdm, but they don't want to do that yet as they want one range of products nationwide. |
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Sorry ... groupon and frogs and what the what now?
Anyone got a helpful glossary to hand here? This all sounds like it ought to be interesting, if only I could follow it... :D |
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Disappointingly turns an Optical Fibre into a Coax, but without the losses. It meant that VM could roll out a full fibre network but deliver the exact same services as it’s HFC network (with the exact same limitations) but not need to change any of the back office systems and headend kit. Because the FTTP network is passive, it doesn’t matter what you put over it. RFoG today, tomorrow XGS-PON. XGS-PON was always the end game and still is. The HFC will get you to 10G, and probably beyond but it is estimated it will be at end of life between 2035-2040. So a fibre overbuild will be required. There is a lot of work to be done with the backbone Access network architecture before you get to the delivery. |
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