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A conservative estimate is that at least 20M have been infected by the virus and 87K have died, which is 0.4%. I think that comes under the “Extremely low” banner too. Or do you mean “very really almost none really bad side affects or deaths low” or are you just guessing because you don’t have any real data yet? |
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The total numbers are only a part of the picture. The more significant part is how many of them are sick enough to need hospital treatment simultaneously. Right now, we have doctors and nurses all over the UK on the verge of nervous breakdowns because of the sheer number of cases they’re dealing with, and the number of people dying under their noses every day.
It is nothing short of absurd that we’re still arguing over the severity of this pandemic when our screens are full of the hard evidence. ---------- Post added at 18:01 ---------- Previous post was at 17:56 ---------- Quote:
But you already knew all this, because you’re an observant sort of person. Aren’t you? |
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I think papa is, in his own inimitable fashion, making a reasonable point here. It's not really about whether the people here can be convinced the vaccine is safe despite reservations.
Chris rightly lists an exhaustive set of steps that each manufacturer has gone through to get to this point. However Chris also said the following: Quote:
If the aim is 'herd immunity' why can't I stay in the 20% that don't need to get it? That way I don't take the risk but get the collective benefit from everyone else doing so. I'm playing devil's advocate here for the purposes of discussion - if I were offered it tomorrow I'd take it but there is going to be a challenge in convincing everyone/enough people to take it. I'm not on the priority list so it will be some months before it comes my way |
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Sadly supporting the socialist revolution, while perhaps indicative of mental health conditions, didn't make the cut ;)
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People may be a bit wary of these particular vaccines, and there is nothing wrong with that, at this point. “Stealing your freedoms” anxiety is totally justified, as you watch videos of people being stopped by, Ill educated, Ill informed, council wombels stopping people running for “breathing too heavily”. It exists, along with the countless heavy handed examples also available of police not knowing how to use their new given ( without parliamentry oversight) powers. |
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I think it's correct to say that everyone's "freedom" is being curtailed. Many people are being denied the ability to work, socialise, travel as they ordinarily would. It is how it is being portrayed, with emotive terminology, to provoke people to rebel that I have greater issue with. We're all having to sacrifice here - the goal is to get back to 'normal'. However the greater resistance, the more people don't adhere, the longer this will drag on. And we are all worse off for it. ---------- Post added at 21:24 ---------- Previous post was at 21:21 ---------- Quote:
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Stopping someone jogging because he may be “breathing too heavily” , giving fines to two ladies because their coffees can be construed as a “picnic”. These examples are just what get highlighted. |
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e.g. how far away from your home you can exercise. People will just push it. 2 miles ? ok . 5 miles ? ok think so. 10miles? You're pushing it... 100 miles? you"re taking the pee (as in those Londoners who fancied a day trip to Wales to see some snow...) If anything they've credited folks with too much common sense. |
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