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Agreed and I think that way does not impact inflation.

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Although the new price cap doesn't come into force until 1 October, it's possible that energy companies could increase direct debits beforehand - they have to give notice to customers beforehand though.

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Good point.

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current leccy max price is Unit rate: 28.11p per kWh Standing charge: 50.27p per day

current gas Unit rate: 7.37p per kWh Standing charge: 27.22p per day

Predicted leccy Unit rate: 52.09p per kWh Standing charge: 46p per day

Predicted Gas Unit rate: 28.34p per kWh Standing charge: 45.34p per day

Predictions taken from Moneysavingexpert and the current from Ofgem we will know tomorrow what it will be

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It's the rise in gas that hits us as we cook and heat with gas, our leccy usage is lower than average. Can't see much changing, I can't use induction so will need to keep using gas for cooking and the idea of fans whirring and not having proper heating rules out heat pumps.

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Are solar panels a possibility with an electric boiler?

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We have solar panels (getting very nice FIT payments) but combi boiler and no space for tanks. Electric shower for most washing and cold feeds to appliances.

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I use little gas so the rise in standing charge hits my gas bill. I use a fair bit of leccy though. Done some provisional maths and my bill will be about £185 a month I have £300 credit and with the £400 going in over 6 months I do not really need to increase my DD from £110 but I am going to raise it to £150 the credit and Gov payment will leave me with a nice balance come Jan for it to cover me till April and then see. I have deliberately built up a balance in preparation for the hard winter

In theory paying £150 a month by April I should still have my £300 balance left and hopefully el gov will do something by then

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By now I would think few people are still on a fixed contracts, most have come to an end, and you cant really get new ones.

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Anecdotally, I know 8 people on a fixed contract and one on a variable meter so that's probably influencing my view. But my experiences can't be taken to represent the country and I would be interested to know the actually data.

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I managed to fix with British Gas in February until next June. The tariff wasn't on their website or price comparison sites so it might be worth contacting your existing supplier to see what they can offer, though I appreciate it's unlikely to make that much difference at this stage.

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We managed to fix with Scottish Power in either Jan or Feb this year, fixed for two years with no exit/change fee. still doubled our monthly payment, and that was after having a long conversation with them

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Yup, that’s what happened to us in June…

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I doubt it.

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That's quite worrying as he's 81 and state pension is his only income:(

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Who pays the bill and has the contract? Sounds like the landlord would be getting it and are meant to pass it on but not legally obliged...

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It's the landlord but i guess he will only get 1x£400 for the entire property of 7 flats

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Correct, he only pays one bill.

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It doesn't sound like he is even covered by the price cap: https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/ab...-energy-bills/

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The predictions have come true: https://news.sky.com/story/energy-bi...3-549-12681213

Huge increase

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Never mind at least the Brexit promise of scrapping VAT on fuel has been honoured, and wasn't another lie....

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Nearly three times what it was last winter,,,

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experi...c740ced897.png

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These increases are going to change everything. It'll be goodbye to pubs, chippies, a lot of small businesses etc. Probably end up going to 3-4 day week openings for a some businesses. A lot of people just can not afford it full stop. What a complete mess it all is. And that's just for starters, if predictions are correct this is just the beginning.

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And these are the updated forecasts for the next two 3 monthly price cap announcements from Cornwall Insight’s whose forecast for todays October price cap just announced was pretty much spot on.

https://www.cornwall-insight.com/cor...ber-price-cap/

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If we didn't have a failed Johnson zombie government, we might know if we're expected to pick up the full whack. Instead, due to the bureaucratic and slow-moving process, millions of Brits will have sleepless nights until the next prime minister is in power. :mad:

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It didn't fail, Boris was hounded out, enjoy the fruits of your labour.

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This is the guy who his first response to Covid was to tell the public he'd gone round hospitals shaking hands with suspected patients. Hounded out or not, he's out of ideas.

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The "we must do all we can to protect retail/hospitality" brigade from 2020/21 are surprisingly silent since these are the supposed lifeblood of the economy.

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Well he's the one laughing now.. He doesn't have to deal with the shit he's left behind.

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Seriously why are people running around like headless chickens?

Until whatever help is going to be introduced is announced there is NOTHING you can do about it.

This perpetual crap induced by a toxic media is becoming increasingly boring.

I suggest people concern themselves when the true effect is known.

Sun forecast for the bank holiday get out and enjoy it. ;)

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I think people are 'running around like headless chickens' because they are genuinely worried. Telling us not to concern ourselves until the true effect is known would be like me telling you not to worry if your company announced staff would find out in a few weeks if they are going to be amongst the 90% of staff to be made redundant.

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He's right about one thing though there's nothing we can do about it, that's precisely why people look to government in a time of crisis.

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Our Government has lept into action this morning to reassure the public....
Well they would have done, but turns out we haven't got a Govt atm. Too busy doing their annual playground backstabbing each other. Power is everything, literally....

Wonder if Rishi is concerned about the heating costs for his new £400k swimming pool he's added to his mansion? Do the plebs spare a thought for the poor sod ? We should crowd fund some help for him.

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True, the ineptitude of the government certainly won't be helping - it'll be making it much much worse for some people. I don't understand why both candidates can't say now what they'll do. If they're concerned about the one upmanship we've seen to date, then they could both release a written plan at the same time (but that would mean caring for more people than the paid up party members).

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You mistake me for Sunak or Javid.

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Presumably both have plans they know will be woefully inadequate. One going public hands the other an open goal - to commit to doing slightly more. Which they don't want to do.

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The Government will do something, they don't have any other option. We just need to wait until they stop sucking up to Tory Members and trying to act the hardman/woman.

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These places are not protected by the Cap, and have been paying fully retail prices for energy already. I know of 2 who are powering their businesses using extension leads from attached flats that are somewhat protected by it.

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Will Truss's tax cuts be postponed?

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There was not even one government minister doing the rounds on the airwaves this morning.

Not a great look in a time of grave crisis.

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They don't care. They think they'll win the next election so they can mess around with Johnson having his sulking tour and Liz Truss and Sunak (who to be fair has said we need to help people with energy bills) are more concerned about appealing to Tory Members who can assume don't care about this issue as much as they care about tax cuts.

But they will do something next month. They don't have an option not to do so. It's bad for those of us earning salaries of course but people on disability allowance and other schemes simply cannot afford these rises. It's not a case of it being difficult, it's not a case of cutting out luxuries and economising. It's unaffordable.

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Which will be at the start of September, the rises dont take effect until October.
Seems more like your usual the anti govenrment rants just trying to be dramatic for no real reason.
There are already known plans in place, they will no doubt be changed, but it makes little real difference if thats announced now, or in two weeks.

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Tbf HM Gov have given us their masterplan , 'use less energy" https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/sta...-business-live

So we can all switch off those routers, tv boxes and computers for a start. Simples.

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So the predictions I was told not to worry about were pretty damn close. Trying to find new unit rates

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From 1 October the equivalent per unit level of the price cap to the nearest pence for a typical customer paying by direct debit will be 52p per kWh for electricity customers and a standing charge of 46p per day. The equivalent per unit level for a typical gas customer is 15p per kWh with a standing charge of 28p per day.

From Ofgem

I notice the Gas standing charge increase did not happen at least

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Time is important. If you want to target support you need to do things like cross reconcile the HMRC database with the energy retailers' databases. That's not a quick task.

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I predict those smart people that don't have Smart meters will use a heck of a lot energy August/September, but very little from October onwards .
The energy companies buy in advance, why can't we ? :)

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When you're basing you attacks on it, of course it is.

You have a lot of experience with databases do you ?

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How exactly does a smart meter allow you to buy in advance ?

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It doesn't but if you don't have a smart meter you can ;)

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To be fair if they really were going to cross-reference the 'HMRC database' against the energy companies' customer databases that probably won't be a quick and easy task. So much so that I doubt they'll take that approach.

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It's better to announce it sooner not only to give people peace of mind but if it does require some logistical work to be done that might take time. They haven't confirmed a plan because they don't have a PM yet and the two candidates have been disagreeing on what support to give.

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If only we had an actual leader, someone in charge that could that could get Rich and dizzy lizzy by the ear and force them to a consensus, if he's in between holidays perhaps bozo could consider that more of a priority than sulking

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I don’t think it’s necessarily an anti-Government position to think there should be something more comprehensive announced earlier. Consumer confidence (to the extent that exists at all any more) relies upon certainty, or at least a strong belief that something will happen. Otherwise people will be planning ahead to the extent they can, crushing discretionary spend in the economy and the industries that rely upon it until people know what will be affordable for them.

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BBBUT having a prime minister in place to run the country and make these decisions wasn't as important as revenge for a slice of cake, you can't have your cake revenge and eat it.

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Why not?

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There is a PM. Just because he's checked out in a massive sulk doesn't mean he isn't PM. If he had any sense of public duty he would do his job until it's finished.

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His authority is gone, unless someone declares war on us.
still well done all the moaners and whiners you got rid of him enjoy the benefits

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As you well know nobody on here got rid of him, eventually it was his own party who realised he was a liability and got rid purely for self serving reasons though, not the good of the country.

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This kind of inaction and self-obsession is more proof it was right the Tories got rid of him.

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What exactly do you think he could do?

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Hard times for us all, I feel sorry for people on Prepayment meters

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Smart meters I agree. But I've topped up on gas before the 1st increase and it'll stay at the rate I paid for it till it runs out. Which should be about another 4 years or so.

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His own party got rid of him if my memory serves me right as nearly 60 ministers resigned before he himself resigned as prime minister.

It was a Tory party coup, nothing more, nothing less.

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He could announce the next package of support and not worry that the new candidates would prefer to do it. He is the PM. He still has tools at his disposal.

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Boris speaks, Zahawi says to use less.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-business-live

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Really? What kind of system is that? Usually most of these you're topping it with cash and it charges that amount by the cost of energy at the time of usage.

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That is how our smart meter works.

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Maybe there isn't one yet and the new PM will make that decision.

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With a non smart card meter, you pay for the rate at the time you pay for it.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/ne...per-rates-for/

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An Ofgem spokesperson told Moneysavingexpert.com: "Smart prepayment meters update prices automatically – so topping up in advance would not make a difference. With non-smart prepayment meters, the price customers pay is fixed at the point they top up.

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Presumably he's not taking a salary at the moment then

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No good having a bleeding heart over the economy now jfman, after cheerleading lockdowns and furloughs that kickstarted the inflationary crisis.

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Now, now Pierre. You must have missed the memo from CCHQ. It’s Putin’s fault, and this is a wartime effort. Churchill and all that. Blitz spirit.

How’s inflation in Sweden?

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It'll also be the fault of remainers, BOE, the EU, the civil service, the NHS, lazy British workers and Sooty.

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Better than ours.

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That’s not saying much :rofl:

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It's a real shame buyers' remorse isn't an energy source; if it were, we'd have the lowest energy prices in Europe instead of one of the highest.

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How would nationalising the energy operators reduce costs from this breakdown?

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By taking control of our energy strategy and linking the price to the cost of extraction as opposed to having it controlled by speculation in essentially a financial market.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=4237

I couldn’t have put it better myself. We just lack the will.

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I know it is supply and demand and all that but the producers do not have to charge exaggerated prices just because they can. People like that will first up against the wall come the inevitable revolution (not saying this will cause the revolution but as the world climate and over population it really is inevitable)

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U.K. facing beer shortage as key carbon dioxide producer pauses operations.

https://fortune.com/2022/08/25/uk-ca...-supply-snags/

Edit: Forgot the link

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how many more times. The producers do not set the prices.

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According the the Green and Organic mobs, the plant shouldn't exist as they want to ban fertiliser. How would that work?

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as many times as you want cuz I do not accept it

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Which presumably you can only do if you are the one doing the actual extraction.

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Do enlighten us all then, how are they set ?

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A lot of the time it is governed by OPEC. If they want prices to rise they hold back oil if they want them to drop they let it flow. In the current market with Russia's Gas not coming into Europe and high consumption in India and China the demand for what is available is high. So basically providers can charge what they want because demand is high a supplies are limited. You can tell me different and tell me some political reason for it but lets face those in real power are not the people who argue in parliaments across the world

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Can always just find a way to give it a nudge if you think it could go higher.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-env...t-62652133.amp

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Quite.

This is a war for which Russia has well prepared. While Europe (principally, Germany) was lashing itself to the Russian gas network and telling itself it was civilising the hordes, Putin was playing an extremely long game designed to make it extremely difficult for Western countries to seriously oppose his plans to reassert Moscow's influence in former Soviet territories.

Reliance on Russian gas ought in the first instance to have prevented any serious western response to Russian expansionism, a la Crimea 2014. Given that his attempt to actually conquer a neighbour demanded a strong response then plan B is to blunt that response over the longer term. Warm words from Paris and Berlin in the summer are one thing. It will be another matter once the home fires start going out this winter.

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There’s nothing going warm about the coming winter. Buy your hot water bottles now!

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last winter I just wrapped up in a sleeping bag and fully intend to do the same this winter

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I think I’ll not tell my wife about your ideal remedy! That’s grounds for divorce!!

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Intelligent bloke you’ve quoted there.

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I have survived worse winters than we get now with nothing but a damp tin box to live in. Although I am in poor health now but hey if a winter finishes me off I will become one less burden on the tax payer

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And a sad loss to the Cable Forum, I should add! Stay safe.

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Well when I was a kid we had to live in a rolled up newspaper, eat a handful of hot gravel a day, pay the mill owner to work and when we got home we’d get chopped up into a thousand pieces and my dad would dance on our graves.

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Well am very sorry you had to go through that and am glad the kings horses and men manged to put you back together

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You were lucky

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Luxury.:D

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Ok, lets get back to the topic :)

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https://www.ft.com/content/02f848fc-...f-26109d79db89

EU starting to do something about it. I hope this kicks our lot up the butt to stop them looking like a bunch of jackasses late to the party

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We will hear about what our government will do about energy prices when the new administration is in place.

We would have done something before now, but some people thought cakes and parties were more important.

This is what happens when you let trivia guide you instead of addressing the real issues. Hopefully, lesson learned, but alas, some will never learn. There could be a full scale invasion and some people would still complain that no-one was fixing the transmitter that had been taken out by enemy bombs. As a country, we need to focus.

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The lawbreaking bloke is still there, being paid, and allegedly still in charge. However he's had to take some hols as all that partying is tiring. So the UK government. has been closed for a couple of months. Fair enough, let the peasants eat cake etc.

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Aaah right, got it. There was me thinking it was Boris Johnson’s fault for flagrantly ignoring his own emergency laws (while the rest of us missed weddings, funerals and everything else), or his MPs’ fault for backing him instead of removing him at the first opportunity, when all along it was the fault of those who demand basic standards of integrity from those chosen to lead us.

Thanks for clarifying this. So next time someone proves they’re unfit for high office we’ll just leave them to get on with it anyway, just in case there’s an emergency around the corner.

You really have become a self parody lately.