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Dash: CF noob 28-02-2012 20:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35390190)
Now that's the first time I've seen minimum latency jump like that on VM's network.

Wierdly enough it only seems to have started jumping today...:mad:

crazyronnie 28-02-2012 22:11

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can't even game online right now. Getting killer lag...

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...28-02-2012.png

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/02/2.png

qasdfdsaq 01-03-2012 20:25

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/03/75.png
Boring... Hrmph. Gonna have a word with them to see if they can do anything about this damn ping. I think someone/something turned on interleaving.

Chrysalis 01-03-2012 22:23

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probably due to the fact you had it on a laptop and kept disconnecting it. This was then seen as line instability. Dont understand why you didnt just use the VM router for it :)

qasdfdsaq 01-03-2012 23:14

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I've got my DIR-615 hooked onto it at the moment, funny thing being it only went up *after* I hooked it up to a stable router, though yes, once my ping went up the first time I also rebooted my modem about another 30 more times to try get it back down again :P

craigj2k12 01-03-2012 23:23

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oh and qas it looks like our graphs are the same :D

qasdfdsaq 01-03-2012 23:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35391424)
oh and qas it looks like our graphs are the same :D


Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35390234)
Looks the same to me.

Stop repeating me.

craigj2k12 02-03-2012 01:07

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yeah but they looked different at first lol

...still ,a cheeky move on both our part :D

Dash: CF noob 02-03-2012 04:25

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Anybody tried DSLReports.com? Just run a test. Results:-

1 minute MTR (hop loss analysis) from Central - USA
Hop Host .................................................. ..........LOSS Rcv Sent Best Avg Worst
0 ae-1.bb-d.slr.lxa.us.oneandone.net .......................0% 60 60 0.44 2.81 51.35
1 te-1-4.bb-c.ws.mkc.us.oneandone.net ...................0% 60 60 0.83 0.89 1.14
2 te-2-3.bb-c.ms.mkc.us.oneandone.net ...................0% 60 60 0.91 1.01 2.67
3 te-2-2.bb-c.fil.qas.us.oneandone.net .....................0% 60 60 44.95 46.42 55.45
4 te-2-1.bb-c.tlx.nyc.us.oneandone.net ....................0% 60 60 41.37 41.47 41.85
5 so-4-1.bb-c.the.lon.gb.oneandone.net ...................0% 60 60 126.19 127.68 136.41
6 195.66.224.23..................................... ..............0% 60 60 126.44 126.54 127.74
7 glfd-tmr-1-as0-0.network.virginmedia.net ...............0% 60 60 136.24 136.75 146.40
8 glfd-bb-1b-ae5-0.network.virginmedia.net ..............0% 60 60 127.65 136.79 273.02
9 manc-bb-1a-ae3-0.network.virginmedia.net ............0% 60 60 133.92 138.94 200.85
10 manc-core-2a-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net ........0% 60 60 134.13 134.61 149.22
11 bolt-cmts-13-ge131.network.virginmedia.net .........0% 60 60 134.48 134.68 134.88
12 (TARGET IP ADDRESS).......................................2% 59 60 140.64 150.43 222.61


Look what happens when it hits the UK...... LOL

MaverickJesus 02-03-2012 08:26

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It gets latency representative of the distance travelled? :confused:

qasdfdsaq 02-03-2012 11:50

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Yes, it does. All data going across the atlantic incurs about 80ms of additional latency.

Chrysalis 02-03-2012 17:43

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well I had a fix date of 29 feb from VM staff on the forums.

There was a noticeable improvement on that date however was also still evident congeston.

It declined a bit the day after but was still better than before the 29 feb.

Today seems to have more improvement although its not 6pm yet.

qasdfdsaq 02-03-2012 17:45

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Fridays seem naturally a bit quieter around where I am, just wait till Sunday and compare with last Sunday.

Vicki 03-03-2012 16:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dash: CF noob (Post 35391459)
Anybody tried DSLReports.com? Just run a test. Results:-

1 minute MTR (hop loss analysis) from Central - USA
Hop Host .................................................. ..........LOSS Rcv Sent Best Avg Worst
0 ae-1.bb-d.slr.lxa.us.oneandone.net .......................0% 60 60 0.44 2.81 51.35
1 te-1-4.bb-c.ws.mkc.us.oneandone.net ...................0% 60 60 0.83 0.89 1.14
2 te-2-3.bb-c.ms.mkc.us.oneandone.net ...................0% 60 60 0.91 1.01 2.67
3 te-2-2.bb-c.fil.qas.us.oneandone.net .....................0% 60 60 44.95 46.42 55.45
4 te-2-1.bb-c.tlx.nyc.us.oneandone.net ....................0% 60 60 41.37 41.47 41.85
5 so-4-1.bb-c.the.lon.gb.oneandone.net ...................0% 60 60 126.19 127.68 136.41
6 195.66.224.23..................................... ..............0% 60 60 126.44 126.54 127.74
7 glfd-tmr-1-as0-0.network.virginmedia.net ...............0% 60 60 136.24 136.75 146.40
8 glfd-bb-1b-ae5-0.network.virginmedia.net ..............0% 60 60 127.65 136.79 273.02
9 manc-bb-1a-ae3-0.network.virginmedia.net ............0% 60 60 133.92 138.94 200.85
10 manc-core-2a-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net ........0% 60 60 134.13 134.61 149.22
11 bolt-cmts-13-ge131.network.virginmedia.net .........0% 60 60 134.48 134.68 134.88
12 (TARGET IP ADDRESS).......................................2% 59 60 140.64 150.43 222.61


Look what happens when it hits the UK...... LOL


I've just done the same test on my Sky connection and in the US ping are pretty much identical mine are slightly lower in the UK and mine also finishes on hop 8 where as you'd goes to hop 12.

qasdfdsaq 04-03-2012 15:55

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http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...04-03-2012.png
Picture's worth a thousand words...

Andrewcrawford23 04-03-2012 18:19

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/03/40.png

wow that is miles better than about a month ago, the onyl change is my ip changed and upstream and downstream power levels came closers to perfect wondering if my hub has started rolling out mroe than 4 channels and peoel on teh shub are congestion the 4 im on with vmng300 less than before

edit: only way ill fidn out is if anyone is off castelecary hub cxan post with shub the downstream and upstream channels that are locking

Dash: CF noob 04-03-2012 19:08

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80ms from NYC to LON is that faster than the speed of light ?????? LOL

djfunkdup 04-03-2012 19:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 35392816)
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/03/40.png

wow that is miles better than about a month ago, the onyl change is my ip changed and upstream and downstream power levels came closers to perfect wondering if my hub has started rolling out mroe than 4 channels and peoel on teh shub are congestion the 4 im on with vmng300 less than before

edit: only way ill fidn out is if anyone is off castelecary hub cxan post with shub the downstream and upstream channels that are locking

Yea mine is looking better as well.. :D http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...04-03-2012.png

if only it was the same as it is @ 7-9am all the time then it would be a perfect graph ;) though to be honest i see no difference in my connection any time of the day anyway :p:

craigj2k12 04-03-2012 19:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dash: CF noob (Post 35392856)
80ms from NYC to LON is that faster than the speed of light ?????? LOL

its over fibre optic cables so technically it is the speed of light :)

qasdfdsaq 04-03-2012 19:26

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You forget all the amplifiers, bridges, repeaters, splitters, diplexers and multiplexers it also has to go through to pass 3000km of underground cable..

Chrysalis 04-03-2012 20:40

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my congestion improvement lasted a whopping 3 days, today its worse than ever.

Skie 04-03-2012 22:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35392875)
You forget all the amplifiers, bridges, repeaters, splitters, diplexers and multiplexers it also has to go through to pass 3000km of underground cable..

Not to mention the speed of light through fibre is slower than through a vacuum.

Andrewcrawford23 04-03-2012 22:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Skie (Post 35392962)
Not to mention the speed of light through fibre is slower than through a vacuum.

marginal in terms of how it would affect us, ie it still that fast that the time you think of what you seen it has probally went round the earth about 200million times

Skie 04-03-2012 22:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 35392965)
marginal in terms of how it would affect us, ie it still that fast that the time you think of what you seen it has probally went round the earth about 200million times

But even my Dyson is faster than a superhub.

Andrewcrawford23 04-03-2012 22:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Skie (Post 35392968)
But even my Dyson is faster than a superhub.

i think dial up is faster thana shub :D

craigj2k12 04-03-2012 22:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Skie (Post 35392968)
But even my Dyson is faster than a superhub.

LOL

boroboi 06-03-2012 03:39

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Well, things still looking pretty normal to me here... normal being less than acceptable, and to make things worse, i've got a nice 2 or 3ms bump in my minimum latency. Nice.

Playing FIFA is as ever only recommended at night past 12am as to stave off the urges of smashing objects and costing myself money.

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SnoopZ 06-03-2012 10:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by boroboi (Post 35393665)
Well, things still looking pretty normal to me here... normal being less than acceptable, and to make things worse, i've got a nice 2 or 3ms bump in my minimum latency. Nice.

Playing FIFA is as ever only recommended at night past 12am as to stave off the urges of smashing objects and costing myself money.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...06-03-2012.png

I also have a very similar bump in minimum latency but mine starts at 6am, maybe it is the broadband monitors fault? Nothing has changed with my channels or power.

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Andrewcrawford23 06-03-2012 10:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35393712)
I also have a very similar bump in minimum latency but mine starts at 6am, maybe it is the broadband monitors fault? Nothing has changed with my channels or power.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...06-03-2012.png

oh it could be peopel get back form night shift using there coennction or schedule downlaod running conegestion the network

SnoopZ 06-03-2012 10:19

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I have never had that before around this area so i suspect something has changed as the line is far too flat.

Kymmy 06-03-2012 10:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 35393721)
oh it could be peopel get back form night shift using there coennction or schedule downlaod running conegestion the network

I doubt it, to produce such a sharp bump it has to be hardware related where as your night shift excuse would give a soft bump

Andrewcrawford23 06-03-2012 10:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35393731)
I doubt it, to produce such a sharp bump it has to be hardware related where as your night shift excuse would give a soft bump

i knowit likely ot e hardware related but didnt you see my scarism????

SnoopZ 06-03-2012 10:59

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No i didn't. :)

Kymmy 06-03-2012 11:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 35393743)
i knowit likely ot e hardware related but didnt you see my scarism????

I didn't either, but as you are dyslexic you can't expect members to understand everything you post especially emotional content.

Andrewcrawford23 06-03-2012 11:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35393752)
I didn't either, but as you are dyslexic you can't expect members to understand everything you post especially emotional content.

true but i thought it seemed obvious i was being skary cause of how i said oh it coulb, suppose that the problem cause i can put emontions in words doesnt help

Kymmy 06-03-2012 11:17

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Use the smilies then, that's what they are there for..

Andrewcrawford23 06-03-2012 11:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35393763)
Use the smilies then, that's what they are there for..

ah th rolling eye is scarism will do that in teh future

qasdfdsaq 06-03-2012 12:54

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Routing failover.

SnoopZ 07-03-2012 00:58

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My graphs minimum latency has just changed back to normal, after being higher for 18hrs.

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boroboi 07-03-2012 10:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35394391)
My graphs minimum latency has just changed back to normal, after being higher for 18hrs.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...07-03-2012.png

As has mine.. about 30 mins after yours.

pabscars 07-03-2012 10:30

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I wonder if VM are trialling some new traffic management ????

SnoopZ 07-03-2012 10:37

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I am looking forward to seeing what my monitor looks like with 8 downstream channels, and i hope it is better than what i have now.

boroboi 07-03-2012 10:44

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Probably no change.. it's the upstream bonding im waiting for... that, and BT Infinty :D

SnoopZ 07-03-2012 10:49

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Not a chance of BT Infinity in my village anytime soon but atleast i can get Virgin which is by far the better option or i would be stuck with ADSL Max.

boroboi 07-03-2012 10:52

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Speaking of ADSL, anybody know of any TBB graphs showing the performance of VM National?

qasdfdsaq 07-03-2012 10:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35394473)
I wonder if VM are trialling some new traffic management ????

I'd be very worried if the new traffic management adds that kind of latency.

(They have said they will be using new traffic management, went silent on the idea, then mentioned it in passing again recently)

---------- Post added at 10:56 ---------- Previous post was at 10:54 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35394480)
I am looking forward to seeing what my monitor looks like with 8 downstream channels, and i hope it is better than what i have now.

Double the capacity, but everyone gets double the speed and allowances.

I've always disagreed with the folk who say if you double someone's speed they'll use twice as much. But I guess we'll see...

Andrewcrawford23 07-03-2012 10:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35394498)
I'd be very worried if the new traffic management adds that kind of latency.

(They have said they will be using new traffic management, went silent on the idea, then mentioned it in passing again recently)

---------- Post added at 10:56 ---------- Previous post was at 10:54 ----------


Double the capacity, but everyone gets double the speed and allowances.

I've always disagreed with the folk who say if you double someone's speed they'll use twice as much. But I guess we'll see...


i wont use any mroe ill jsut download or uplaod it quicker

boroboi 07-03-2012 11:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35394498)

I've always disagreed with the folk who say if you double someone's speed they'll use twice as much. But I guess we'll see...

I'd say there's room for both arguments. When i went from 10meg to 50 i downloaded more purely because i could. On 10meg i'd have to choose between either gaming or downloading, and i'd either spread it out or wait for off peak, now i can get the downloading done in a fraction of the time, and download more and then use the connection for something else, where as before i was either throttled or doing one or the other, or queuing files.

The lesser the bandwidth i'd argue that people would download more, but if you're going from 30 to 60, 50 to 100 id argue in the case that nothing much would change

qasdfdsaq 07-03-2012 11:30

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I'd agree with you there. There is often an increase, but it's far from linear, and often made up of things people could now do that previously couldn't, rather than more of the same. Last time I had any information on this I think it was around 20% more usage when you doubled someone's speed. There are exceptions of course, the day after I got my 50mb installed I downloaded at full speed for 24 hours straight just to try it. Managed to hit 500GB in one day.

The argument in the past was VM couldn't keep up with capacity upgrades because every time they'd add more capacity the users would suck all of it up immediately. That's only the case if bandwidth demand before the upgrade was already higher than what was provided after.

pabscars 07-03-2012 11:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35394498)
I'd be very worried if the new traffic management adds that kind of latency.

(They have said they will be using new traffic management, went silent on the idea, then mentioned it in passing again recently)[COLOR="Silver"]

It was purely a stab in the dark but it wouldn't surprise me :)

The only time I would ever consider moving back to VM would be when they correctly sort out their traffic management to the point it has a positive impact on Jitter/Performance.

IMO VM need to do something pretty drastic reasonably soon or else they are in danger of blowing their toes off. When the new speed upgrades start rolling out in earnest I can see Jitter going skyward even further, what say you.

boroboi 07-03-2012 11:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35394549)
what say you.

I say to hell with that. At that point i'd seriously consider dropping tiers and getting an ADSL connection in.

suckaaa 09-03-2012 00:30

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heres my graph 100 meg vmng and dlink vs the superhub huddersfield area, i bought the vmng of ebay but really cant notice any difference while gaming gears 2 and 3

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...09-03-2012.png

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...06-03-2012.png

craigj2k12 09-03-2012 01:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suckaaa (Post 35396062)
heres my graph 100 meg vmng and dlink vs the superhub huddersfield area, i bought the vmng of ebay but really cant notice any difference while gaming gears 2 and 3

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...09-03-2012.png

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...06-03-2012.png

how did you get the stolen modem activated?

Sephiroth 09-03-2012 01:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35392866)
its over fibre optic cables so technically it is the speed of light :)

c. 16 ms is the speed of light, plus what Qasi has said.

suckaaa 09-03-2012 02:39

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Lol was it stolen i dont no i rang 150 indian call centre i said virgin sent it me he checked tht it was registered to a different account put me on hold dunno where he went came back and activated it, havent checked speeds on it though upload seems a little lower

Chrysalis 09-03-2012 02:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suckaaa (Post 35396062)
heres my graph 100 meg vmng and dlink vs the superhub huddersfield area, i bought the vmng of ebay but really cant notice any difference while gaming gears 2 and 3

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...09-03-2012.png

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...06-03-2012.png

your area is a good VM area.

so far everyone I know who says they see no difference is in low utilised areas.

although I dont know if the jitter differences between the 2 devices would be enough to show in a game. for me its about 5-10ms on pingtest.net difference depending on time of day and the delayed packets seem almost alternate on the superhub which shows noticebly in ssh but I dont game so I have never observed the effect in gaming.

I have also noticed lately that the differences arent so clear on tbb graphs, I found even when the graph looks ok there was noticebly jitter in ssh on my superhub 24/7. Whilst the vmng300 feels slightly jittery but its not really noticeble unless usually about 4-10pm on bad days.

suckaaa 09-03-2012 03:15

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Ive been testing my connection a lot using ping plotter pro the superhub would show some packetloss pinging bbc.co.uk but the vmg and dlink would show 0 packet loss and my tracert results to my my network improved by 1ms with the vmng. Also tested using the comand prompt ping -t google.co.uk etc both would show spikes in the network all times of the day, even early morning, gaming the hub felt better my bullets would connect better gears 2 but that game is broken so i dunno. I also test superhub modem mode with dlink gave me horrible results loads of packet loss.

craigj2k12 09-03-2012 12:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suckaaa (Post 35396079)
Lol was it stolen i dont no i rang 150 indian call centre i said virgin sent it me he checked tht it was registered to a different account put me on hold dunno where he went came back and activated it, havent checked speeds on it though upload seems a little lower

according to VMs own terms and conditions, yes :)

qasdfdsaq 09-03-2012 15:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suckaaa (Post 35396084)
Ive been testing my connection a lot using ping plotter pro the superhub would show some packetloss pinging bbc.co.uk but the vmg and dlink would show 0 packet loss and my tracert results to my my network improved by 1ms with the vmng. Also tested using the comand prompt ping -t google.co.uk etc both would show spikes in the network all times of the day, even early morning, gaming the hub felt better my bullets would connect better gears 2 but that game is broken so i dunno. I also test superhub modem mode with dlink gave me horrible results loads of packet loss.

1ms is nothing. BT increased my ping by 30ms "to keep my line stable", now all my gaming pings are 50ms+. A power cut has nothing to do with line stability.

Sephiroth 09-03-2012 21:52

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What does that mean, Qasi? "BT increased my ping by 30 ms". Exactly what did they do and what was the practical effect?

qasdfdsaq 09-03-2012 22:26

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First thing was, well I don't know, something in the IP profile I believe that increased my latency by 12ms. This is nothing but an artificial delay generated by BT and I don't know how or why.

Secondly they turned on interleaving, three levels of it, increasing my latency by an additional ~8ms each time. On top of the artificial IP profile delay, my overall ping to/from work has more than doubled, so remote desktop feels a little more sluggish. For some reason a couple days later, my download speed also got capped to about 70% of normal.

Gaming feels considerably more sluggish, plus I'm rarely if ever picked as host now, so more often have to suffer laggy foreign hosts with crappy connections on some other continent. Downloads are obviously slower.

Indian phone support claimed to have spotted the problem and were going to fix it today, but haven't. I'll have to get a line profile reset, apparently.

Chrysalis 09-03-2012 22:41

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BT have DLM which automatically controls line paremeters to maintain stability, FTTC is still subject to things like noise interference so BT have kept DLM on.

When they believe the line to be unstable either from excessive CRC/FEC errors or line disconnects (like when you did at the start) then DLM will either enable interleaving or buff up the noise margin or both, there is also varying levels of interleaving so its more than just a on/off setting now.

I think I remember telling you this a week or so back.

I would ring up BTs tech support and explain the line stability was not the line but you playing around with the modem and ask them to reset the profile to its default, then after that plug it in to the router and leave it alone on 24/7.

Dash: CF noob 10-03-2012 01:42

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http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...09-03-2012.png


Packet loss seems to have gone.


Last Friday.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...02-03-2012.png

Kymmy 10-03-2012 08:25

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Firstly please ignore any lost packets, that was me moving cable around, the engineers install and then they were both off for a bit of decorating (hard to wallpaper round the cables) and finally for the 50Mb the superhub rebooting whilst I set up DHCP leases and messed about with the menus..

Comparison time though the first one isn't being used and just feeds into a router with the wifi turned off and nothing else attached.
Virgin Media Business 10Mb
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...10-03-2012.png



Now this one is being used with two PC's on 24/7 and 4 PC's on during the day/evening
Virgin Media 50Mb Superhub (router mode)
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...10-03-2012.png
http://www.pingtest.net/result/58629730.png
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/03/46.png

I'm more than happy with those results and if you want to try to use those results to slag off the superhub then honestly..get a life :rolleyes:

Sirius 10-03-2012 08:33

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
My heavily used Super Hub in Modem Mode


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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/03/45.png

There will be a fair amount of short bust uploading today.

thenry 10-03-2012 12:46

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
nice Kymmy but 'get a life' :no: decent firmware on the SH could see better results.

Kymmy 10-03-2012 13:21

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
There though is a difference between adequate and perfect.. The superhub's performance is adequate for my usage and probably a good proportion of VM customers. I'm not though saying it is perfect and could probably be bettered but very few need perfection..

Just getting sick and tired of the "Superhub isn't working perfect so no-body must be happy with it" brigade and it's a pity on forums that people don't tend to post good experiences as much as bad experiences..

thenry 10-03-2012 13:29

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ok fair enough but I did make it clear that 5GHz rocked for me on the SH :D

with regards to this latency issue. thats exactly the thing, it can be better and easily.

Chrysalis 10-03-2012 14:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35396982)
There though is a difference between adequate and perfect.. The superhub's performance is adequate for my usage and probably a good proportion of VM customers. I'm not though saying it is perfect and could probably be bettered but very few need perfection..

Just getting sick and tired of the "Superhub isn't working perfect so no-body must be happy with it" brigade and it's a pity on forums that people don't tend to post good experiences as much as bad experiences..

your 2nd graph looks like more utilisation on the UBR rather than a difference in local hardware and usage. There is congestion on that 2nd graph no doubt, its just not very severe.

Kymmy 10-03-2012 14:42

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Is that possibly the difference between the DOCSIS 1 & 3 ?

Andrewcrawford23 10-03-2012 14:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35397014)
Is that possibly the difference between the DOCSIS 1 & 3 ?

i am assuming you have docsis 1 modme for the business if so it possible most peopel in your area are off docsis 1 and as such it imprvoing it btu i say teh shub is causing some of those spikes

Kymmy 10-03-2012 14:54

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
It is a village with the UBR in a very small town.. Not many businesses about..

qasdfdsaq 10-03-2012 15:10

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35396835)
I'm more than happy with those results and if you want to try to use those results to slag off the superhub then honestly..get a life :rolleyes:

Sorry, but as the new connection has introduced more than 5 times more latency into your system, that's a shameful result if the SH is the cause.

Kymmy 10-03-2012 15:24

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Do you honestly think I'm anal enough to worry about a bit more latency????

qasdfdsaq 10-03-2012 15:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35396982)
There though is a difference between adequate and perfect.. The superhub's performance is adequate for my usage and probably a good proportion of VM customers. I'm not though saying it is perfect and could probably be bettered but very few need perfection..

I'm not sure you're aware but a lot of (educated) people (and network engineers) believe latency is more important than bandwidth. Increased latency is why websites load slower on a VM 50mb connection than a BT 40mb, contrary to what you'd expect.

So for many people it's "adequate" for their needs (because it loads fast enough) but on the other hand they're being misled if they think it's faster than a 40mb connection from the competition. VM's excessive peddling of download speeds comes at the cost of latency and responsiveness. The latency problem, is something that some people claim the Superhub makes a lot worse - so it's just another example of the same thing.

Nobody's to my knowledge done a direct scientific comparison between the two, so your graphs, being as close as it gets, shows your 50mb being a lot worse than your 10mb. Even if you're happy with that, I don't think it's fair to berate the few who aren't. After all, if it literally takes 2-4 times as long to do most things on a 50mb connection, it's a bit of a ripoff.

---------- Post added at 15:27 ---------- Previous post was at 15:25 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35397045)
Do you honestly think I'm anal enough to worry about a bit more latency????

This is the kind of attitude that allows VM to continue getting away with ripping people off by peddling unneccessarily high speeds at the cost of actual performance.

Again, that latency, is why your 50mb is slower in actual use than my 30mb. I'm not saying you should care, but I know I would if that were the case. Hence why I disconnected my 50mb and went down to another provider's "slower" service. That latency, also means your 50mb probably isn't any faster than your 10mb for interactive use. Downloading large files is another matter.

thenry 10-03-2012 15:30

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qas comparisons were made on docsis3, the VMNG300 and the SuperHub.. its blatantly showed the SH clocked up more. I saw a few people state the same thing and also various monitors confirm this. thats just me browsing the web too. Chrysalis and craigj2k12 have actually tested so would know much more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35397045)
Do you honestly think I'm anal enough to worry about a bit more latency????

strong words and to be honest its pathetic.. bit of a cowboys comment, leave it be it'll do... no it wont and seeing as the fix could be rather simple I think fixing the issue would be more worthwhile. After all theres a huge investment thats been made in all this speed.

qasdfdsaq 10-03-2012 15:36

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35397045)
Do you honestly think I'm anal enough to worry about a bit more latency????

Why are you posting in a ping monitor thread if you don't care about ping?

---------- Post added at 15:36 ---------- Previous post was at 15:35 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35397049)
qas comparisons were made on docsis3, the VMNG300 and the SuperHub.. its blatantly showed the SH clocked up more. I saw a few people state the same thing and also various monitors confirm this. thats just me browsing the web too. Chrysalis and craigj2k12 have actually tested so would know much more.

I haven't seen any actual numbers. I wish I had, but a couple of Thinkbroadband graphs could have a hundred and one reasons for the differences.

craigj2k12 10-03-2012 15:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35397054)
I haven't seen any actual numbers. I wish I had, but a couple of Thinkbroadband graphs could have a hundred and one reasons for the differences.

Me and Chrys made a thread about it on this very forum, with pings, tracert's, TBB graphs, download speed tests, general browsing and video streaming, the superhubs performance was a lot lower across the board

qasdfdsaq 10-03-2012 15:47

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Links or it didn't happen.

Kymmy 10-03-2012 16:05

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35397054)
Why are you posting in a ping monitor thread if you don't care about ping?.

It wasn't for my benefit, Just posted the whole lot as people might be interested especially as I was asked to post the TBB monitors, but instead it's the Anti-superhub so called experts who jump on it and deem it not good enough.. If someone doesn't like the superhub then don't get a superhub!!

I rarely game, I don't care about 2 more seconds to load a web page and most of my traffic is purely files and database sharing with various applications which are all running at full speed..

Everyone to their own but don't expect others to care about non-perfect results unless it actually impacts on what they're using the connection for :rolleyes:

craigj2k12 10-03-2012 16:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35397065)
Links or it didn't happen.

It did happen, im trawling though google searched ripping my hair out trying to find it, theres some info in this thread around page 30ish, but breif, I definitley opened a thread about this and im determined to find it lol

Kymmy 10-03-2012 16:08

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35397078)
It did happen, im trawling though google searched ripping my hair out trying to find it, theres some info in this thread around page 30ish, but breif, I definitley opened a thread about this and im determined to find it lol

Click on this link and it'll show you all the threads that you've ever started (not posts just threads)

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/se...&starteronly=1

thenry 10-03-2012 16:15

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35397076)
It wasn't for my benefit, Just posted the whole lot as people might be interested especially as I was asked to post the TBB monitors, but instead it's the Anti-superhub so called experts who jump on it and deem it not good enough.. If someone doesn't like the superhub then don't get a superhub!!

I rarely game, I don't care about 2 more seconds to load a web page and most of my traffic is purely files and database sharing with various applications which are all running at full speed..

Everyone to their own but don't expect others to care about non-perfect results unless it actually impacts on what they're using the connection for :rolleyes:

yes I asked because your 8 down channels got me curious.

its not about being anti superhub. theres a simple cure for it if VM pull their finger out. why make a multi million pound investment in something then accept a simple fixable flaw?

your being a little arrogant and pathetic

Kymmy 10-03-2012 16:17

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And what qualifies you to specify that there is a simple cure? Are you a software engineer or a circuit designer?? Or is that your arrogance speaking??

thenry 10-03-2012 16:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35397097)
And what qualifies you to specify that there is a simple cure? Are you a software engineer or a circuit designer?? Or is that your arrogance speaking??

no its actually me complimenting those who are educated. they have the brains to implement a fix.

Kymmy 10-03-2012 16:21

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
But how do you know it's a simple fix? (is this a bit like your cloners simple fix??) Qasi, you're probably one of the most qualified (my digital electronics experience doesn't quite go to that level)

thenry 10-03-2012 16:24

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
ok fair enough I don't know its a simple fix, I haven't a clue how to code but surely its achievable.

Kymmy 10-03-2012 16:24

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
:rofl:

thenry 10-03-2012 16:28

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
:nono:

qasdfdsaq 10-03-2012 16:32

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35397102)
But how do you know it's a simple fix? (is this a bit like your cloners simple fix??) Qasi, you're probably one of the most qualified (my digital electronics experience doesn't quite go to that level)

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but until I actually see any proof of the problem or understand what it is, I can't conclusively say anything other than one connection has higher latency than the other...

I think the next OFCOM broadband report will probably be the best set of and biggest set of figures we get for this - we'll have two mostly superhub-only tariffs (30mb and 100mb) with the tariff with highest proportion of VMNG300 users sandwiched between them, and all running on the same (DOCSIS 3) network.

Chrysalis 10-03-2012 20:23

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35397076)
It wasn't for my benefit, Just posted the whole lot as people might be interested especially as I was asked to post the TBB monitors, but instead it's the Anti-superhub so called experts who jump on it and deem it not good enough.. If someone doesn't like the superhub then don't get a superhub!!

I rarely game, I don't care about 2 more seconds to load a web page and most of my traffic is purely files and database sharing with various applications which are all running at full speed..

Everyone to their own but don't expect others to care about non-perfect results unless it actually impacts on what they're using the connection for :rolleyes:

What I will expect from your 2 graphs is the 10meg to be generally more responsive so websites will be snappier, things like VOIP will be better, gaming better. The only thing the 50meg probably beats your 10meg on is thoughput.

Kymmy 14-03-2012 21:20

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Interesting how downloading at full speed on one modem can effect the ping response on the other. I had the newsgroups going this morning on the 50Mb at about 8am and you can see a rise in the ping on the 2nd graph on the 10Mb

50Mb
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...14-03-2012.png

10Mb
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...14-03-2012.png

Chrysalis 14-03-2012 21:22

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
I would expect that if on the same channels as the shared channels arent that large, however your graphs are so different I assumed one is docsis1 and the other is docsis3 so not the same channels.

Kymmy 14-03-2012 21:24

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
You are correct with the Docsis..

Martin_D 15-03-2012 01:14

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Uddingston has the new 5mb upload speed

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Kymmy 16-03-2012 09:13

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Interesting night last night and still getting small 20 sec drop-outs this morning every now and then

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

data0002 16-03-2012 15:05

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
hi all now had the 100/5 for over the last week does my monitor look ok

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...16-03-2012.png

The Red area is where the superhub is switched off at night

thenry 16-03-2012 15:10

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
ride the waves dude http://www.gaming-forum.org/images/smilies/surfing.gif

:no: sucks

boroboi 16-03-2012 15:28

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Looks like you have a torrent freak nearby who's using his connection like a seedbox :)

data0002 16-03-2012 15:40

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sorry was that towards me or Kymmy


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