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can't even game online right now. Getting killer lag...
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probably due to the fact you had it on a laptop and kept disconnecting it. This was then seen as line instability. Dont understand why you didnt just use the VM router for it :)
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I've got my DIR-615 hooked onto it at the moment, funny thing being it only went up *after* I hooked it up to a stable router, though yes, once my ping went up the first time I also rebooted my modem about another 30 more times to try get it back down again :P
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oh and qas it looks like our graphs are the same :D
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Anybody tried DSLReports.com? Just run a test. Results:-
1 minute MTR (hop loss analysis) from Central - USA Hop Host .................................................. ..........LOSS Rcv Sent Best Avg Worst 0 ae-1.bb-d.slr.lxa.us.oneandone.net .......................0% 60 60 0.44 2.81 51.35 1 te-1-4.bb-c.ws.mkc.us.oneandone.net ...................0% 60 60 0.83 0.89 1.14 2 te-2-3.bb-c.ms.mkc.us.oneandone.net ...................0% 60 60 0.91 1.01 2.67 3 te-2-2.bb-c.fil.qas.us.oneandone.net .....................0% 60 60 44.95 46.42 55.45 4 te-2-1.bb-c.tlx.nyc.us.oneandone.net ....................0% 60 60 41.37 41.47 41.85 5 so-4-1.bb-c.the.lon.gb.oneandone.net ...................0% 60 60 126.19 127.68 136.41 6 195.66.224.23..................................... ..............0% 60 60 126.44 126.54 127.74 7 glfd-tmr-1-as0-0.network.virginmedia.net ...............0% 60 60 136.24 136.75 146.40 8 glfd-bb-1b-ae5-0.network.virginmedia.net ..............0% 60 60 127.65 136.79 273.02 9 manc-bb-1a-ae3-0.network.virginmedia.net ............0% 60 60 133.92 138.94 200.85 10 manc-core-2a-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net ........0% 60 60 134.13 134.61 149.22 11 bolt-cmts-13-ge131.network.virginmedia.net .........0% 60 60 134.48 134.68 134.88 12 (TARGET IP ADDRESS).......................................2% 59 60 140.64 150.43 222.61 Look what happens when it hits the UK...... LOL |
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It gets latency representative of the distance travelled? :confused:
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Yes, it does. All data going across the atlantic incurs about 80ms of additional latency.
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well I had a fix date of 29 feb from VM staff on the forums.
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Fridays seem naturally a bit quieter around where I am, just wait till Sunday and compare with last Sunday.
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wow that is miles better than about a month ago, the onyl change is my ip changed and upstream and downstream power levels came closers to perfect wondering if my hub has started rolling out mroe than 4 channels and peoel on teh shub are congestion the 4 im on with vmng300 less than before edit: only way ill fidn out is if anyone is off castelecary hub cxan post with shub the downstream and upstream channels that are locking |
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80ms from NYC to LON is that faster than the speed of light ?????? LOL
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You forget all the amplifiers, bridges, repeaters, splitters, diplexers and multiplexers it also has to go through to pass 3000km of underground cable..
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my congestion improvement lasted a whopping 3 days, today its worse than ever.
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Well, things still looking pretty normal to me here... normal being less than acceptable, and to make things worse, i've got a nice 2 or 3ms bump in my minimum latency. Nice.
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I have never had that before around this area so i suspect something has changed as the line is far too flat.
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I wonder if VM are trialling some new traffic management ????
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I am looking forward to seeing what my monitor looks like with 8 downstream channels, and i hope it is better than what i have now.
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Probably no change.. it's the upstream bonding im waiting for... that, and BT Infinty :D
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Not a chance of BT Infinity in my village anytime soon but atleast i can get Virgin which is by far the better option or i would be stuck with ADSL Max.
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Speaking of ADSL, anybody know of any TBB graphs showing the performance of VM National?
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I'd agree with you there. There is often an increase, but it's far from linear, and often made up of things people could now do that previously couldn't, rather than more of the same. Last time I had any information on this I think it was around 20% more usage when you doubled someone's speed. There are exceptions of course, the day after I got my 50mb installed I downloaded at full speed for 24 hours straight just to try it. Managed to hit 500GB in one day.
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heres my graph 100 meg vmng and dlink vs the superhub huddersfield area, i bought the vmng of ebay but really cant notice any difference while gaming gears 2 and 3
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Lol was it stolen i dont no i rang 150 indian call centre i said virgin sent it me he checked tht it was registered to a different account put me on hold dunno where he went came back and activated it, havent checked speeds on it though upload seems a little lower
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so far everyone I know who says they see no difference is in low utilised areas. although I dont know if the jitter differences between the 2 devices would be enough to show in a game. for me its about 5-10ms on pingtest.net difference depending on time of day and the delayed packets seem almost alternate on the superhub which shows noticebly in ssh but I dont game so I have never observed the effect in gaming. I have also noticed lately that the differences arent so clear on tbb graphs, I found even when the graph looks ok there was noticebly jitter in ssh on my superhub 24/7. Whilst the vmng300 feels slightly jittery but its not really noticeble unless usually about 4-10pm on bad days. |
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Ive been testing my connection a lot using ping plotter pro the superhub would show some packetloss pinging bbc.co.uk but the vmg and dlink would show 0 packet loss and my tracert results to my my network improved by 1ms with the vmng. Also tested using the comand prompt ping -t google.co.uk etc both would show spikes in the network all times of the day, even early morning, gaming the hub felt better my bullets would connect better gears 2 but that game is broken so i dunno. I also test superhub modem mode with dlink gave me horrible results loads of packet loss.
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What does that mean, Qasi? "BT increased my ping by 30 ms". Exactly what did they do and what was the practical effect?
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First thing was, well I don't know, something in the IP profile I believe that increased my latency by 12ms. This is nothing but an artificial delay generated by BT and I don't know how or why.
Secondly they turned on interleaving, three levels of it, increasing my latency by an additional ~8ms each time. On top of the artificial IP profile delay, my overall ping to/from work has more than doubled, so remote desktop feels a little more sluggish. For some reason a couple days later, my download speed also got capped to about 70% of normal. Gaming feels considerably more sluggish, plus I'm rarely if ever picked as host now, so more often have to suffer laggy foreign hosts with crappy connections on some other continent. Downloads are obviously slower. Indian phone support claimed to have spotted the problem and were going to fix it today, but haven't. I'll have to get a line profile reset, apparently. |
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BT have DLM which automatically controls line paremeters to maintain stability, FTTC is still subject to things like noise interference so BT have kept DLM on.
When they believe the line to be unstable either from excessive CRC/FEC errors or line disconnects (like when you did at the start) then DLM will either enable interleaving or buff up the noise margin or both, there is also varying levels of interleaving so its more than just a on/off setting now. I think I remember telling you this a week or so back. I would ring up BTs tech support and explain the line stability was not the line but you playing around with the modem and ask them to reset the profile to its default, then after that plug it in to the router and leave it alone on 24/7. |
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Firstly please ignore any lost packets, that was me moving cable around, the engineers install and then they were both off for a bit of decorating (hard to wallpaper round the cables) and finally for the 50Mb the superhub rebooting whilst I set up DHCP leases and messed about with the menus..
Comparison time though the first one isn't being used and just feeds into a router with the wifi turned off and nothing else attached. Virgin Media Business 10Mb http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...10-03-2012.png Now this one is being used with two PC's on 24/7 and 4 PC's on during the day/evening Virgin Media 50Mb Superhub (router mode) http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...10-03-2012.png http://www.pingtest.net/result/58629730.png https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/03/46.png I'm more than happy with those results and if you want to try to use those results to slag off the superhub then honestly..get a life :rolleyes: |
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My heavily used Super Hub in Modem Mode
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nice Kymmy but 'get a life' :no: decent firmware on the SH could see better results.
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There though is a difference between adequate and perfect.. The superhub's performance is adequate for my usage and probably a good proportion of VM customers. I'm not though saying it is perfect and could probably be bettered but very few need perfection..
Just getting sick and tired of the "Superhub isn't working perfect so no-body must be happy with it" brigade and it's a pity on forums that people don't tend to post good experiences as much as bad experiences.. |
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ok fair enough but I did make it clear that 5GHz rocked for me on the SH :D
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Is that possibly the difference between the DOCSIS 1 & 3 ?
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It is a village with the UBR in a very small town.. Not many businesses about..
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qas comparisons were made on docsis3, the VMNG300 and the SuperHub.. its blatantly showed the SH clocked up more. I saw a few people state the same thing and also various monitors confirm this. thats just me browsing the web too. Chrysalis and craigj2k12 have actually tested so would know much more.
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And what qualifies you to specify that there is a simple cure? Are you a software engineer or a circuit designer?? Or is that your arrogance speaking??
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But how do you know it's a simple fix? (is this a bit like your cloners simple fix??) Qasi, you're probably one of the most qualified (my digital electronics experience doesn't quite go to that level)
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ok fair enough I don't know its a simple fix, I haven't a clue how to code but surely its achievable.
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Interesting how downloading at full speed on one modem can effect the ping response on the other. I had the newsgroups going this morning on the 50Mb at about 8am and you can see a rise in the ping on the 2nd graph on the 10Mb
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I would expect that if on the same channels as the shared channels arent that large, however your graphs are so different I assumed one is docsis1 and the other is docsis3 so not the same channels.
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You are correct with the Docsis..
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Uddingston has the new 5mb upload speed
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hi all now had the 100/5 for over the last week does my monitor look ok
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Looks like you have a torrent freak nearby who's using his connection like a seedbox :)
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sorry was that towards me or Kymmy
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