Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I wish I shared your joint optimism, I'm starting to think he's going to duck and dive his way out of this somehow. :erm:

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Why should he resign as an MP?

You currently got a former Labour MP, Claudia Webb, until she had whip removed, who was charged with threatening to throw Acid and received a suspended jail sentence for doing so, sitting as a Independent MP.

Plus Corbyn, who did little to curb Antisemitism in the Labour Party, also sitting as a Independent MP (who has tweeted in last hour he’s lost his latest round of being readmitted to the Labour Party).

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

:clap::clap:

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

They used to be known as 'remoaners' because they simply would not shut up about it. Now they seem to have morphed into 'rejoiners'.

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And you say this before the Gray report is published and the police have completed their investigation. Interesting.

Boris is still saying he will be exonerated, by the way. I predict there will be a lot of eggs on faces. The only question that remains is which direction they will fly.

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Deny it as much as you like, but I can assure you there is a rejoin movement. No political party has embraced it....yet.

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Everybody does, Carth. Ever since Adam and Eve.

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He won't resign (no need to) and he will remain as PM to fight another election.

Sorry to be the one to burst your balloon, Andrew.

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No need to duck and dive. The facts will speak for themselves and he will be exonerated. You'll see.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Well I think they should resign, especially Webb to be fair.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

i did not say he should resign as MP Mick i was answering Andrews question that is all

yes agree Corbyn did nothing to curb Antisemitism same as Johnson as done nothing to curb islamophobia in the tory party

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

There is no islamophobia in the Tory Party. But nice try at deflection.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

tell baroness Warsi that and other tories that said it then

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-isla...finds-12316516

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Did Tony Blair resign over the cash for honours police investigation? No! And he was interviewed three times over this much more serious alleged offence.

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Racism is easy to allege, and many people use the race card unfairly and to their own advantage.

However, the allegation has been made and it is being investigated. Again, let’s see the outcome of that investigation before making comments that we may later regret.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

@OB i can't quote you as you're still "composing" but you mention cash for honours, that seems to be an accepted thing now, especially if you have £3 Million spare change.

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Weren’t you the one who kept saying "don’t pre-judge, wait until all the facts are known"?

In fact, two posts above this one, you state Or are you saying you know already what evidence the Met have/are going to gather?

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Bit of a difference

https://www.politics.co.uk/news/2006...honours-probe/

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Doesn’t prove shit.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

The only one denying anything is you and Johnson's guilt.

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I think he might choose to step down. The real money is on the lecture circuit. Whatever you might think about his honesty and managerial skills, he's one of the UK's finest orators. And he's got a young family, a book to write on Shakespeare and doubtless a few other side hustles. Why bother with being an MP, with what to him is a poor-paying job?

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Islamophobia was to the Tories was what anti-Semitism was to Labour. I really had hoped both parties had finally cleaned up their acts but the latest allegations by Nusrat Ghani make uncomfortable reading.

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It's hard not to disagree with Old Boy as he holds bewilderingly contradictory positions and you can't agree with all of them at the same time!

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Rishi Sunak dragged into party row saying he 'accidentally' attended

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...downing-street

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Two of them accidentally went to a party, how unlucky is that ? :D

What is unfair is that Boris has had more parties in lockdown than I've had in my lifetime !

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Doubt he'll resign as an MP because I believe that'll impact his pension so think he'll step down at the next election unless he's recalled by his constituents.

And for balance you could have mentioned the ex Conservative MP for Wakefield now sitting as an independent while waiting to go on trial accused of sexually assaulting a 15-year-old boy in 2008.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Used to call it gatecrashing when I was a lad :D

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And this is why I didn’t, he’s not been convicted, innocent until proven guilty, the other two have had investigations in some form and are guilty of the findings they’re accused of.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Tbf you need more than that to implicate him.

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A party bag with some cake and a toy in it maybe?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

As I said earlier a room with a cake whatever for 10 mins is a different thing to literally sending out invites. Both against the rules but few people think that people who are already at work doing something like that is as bad as the other parties. I maintain Johnson likely would have been fine if the cake was the only story.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Agreed. Sunak's story is far more convincing than that of Johnson's decorator moving seamlessly around probably the most secure building in the country. Given the frequency of parties at No. 10, it would seem hard for Sunak to avoid at least one of them!

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

He went for a reason, possibly not the party.

Source the Express article you linked to.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Exactly. A business meeting, not a party.

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I prefaced my comment about there being no case by the words ‘from what we know’. There is nothing contradictory about my position on this.

I suspect very much there is nothing that will prove BJ’s complicity with breaking of Covid rules, but I will not be absolutely sure until we know the police verdict and we see Sue Gray’s report. I’ve not said anything other than that we should reserve judgement.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

It’s curious how this thread has basically gone exactly the same way as the future of tv thread.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Johnson's defenders, including Rees-Mogg on Newsnight, are saying a new leader requires a General Election. I can't believe any Tory MPs are buying that.

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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

When you're a clown almost everytime you show up it's a party, perhaps he should use that as his defence, it's better than he didn't realise

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Curious or inevitable

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

At this "surprise" work meeting/party/birthday party/get-together with cake and M&S snacks, you would have thought the person in charge of the country (and his Chancellor of the Exchequer) who was telling everyone else not to get together for work meetings/parties/birthday parties/get-togethers that weren’t necessary, might have had the sense to say "sorry, guys & gals, it’s a lovely thought, but this is actually against the rules we told everyone else to follow, so let’s just stop what’s happening, OK?".

The cake, the surprise, the 10 minutes, the Interior Decorator in the Cabinet Room are all just gaslighting and distractions - they set the rules, they reminded us nearly every day of what the rules were, they had people fined throughout this period for breaking the rules.

There are no excuses.

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Really?

At their own admission, Carrie gathered staff (and Lulu Lytle) to the Cabinet Room for a surprise before the meeting that Sunak was attending - there was no purpose for this pre-meeting except to surprise Johnson with a cake and to sing "Happy Birthday"…

What are you going to say next - he was ambushed by a cake?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Keeping everyone on their toes!
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1486085432953737222

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The two phrases in bold contradict each other, Old Boy.

You can't simultaneously say there's no case whilst at the same time reserving judgment. :erm:

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Yeah, no more excuses to have further lockdown for essentially what was a bad form of Pneumonia.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

As I said 'from what we know', which basically accepts that more information may be forthcoming that changes things, there is no contradiction.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Looks like No. 10 doesn't have the report yet. Truss mentioned national security may mean some parts are redacted.
https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...ghani-12514080

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Were there Russians ambushing him with cakes?

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Except when you posted this yesterday evening..

Even includes "from what we know" ;)

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

The Tories defence of Johnson is getting a bit tired: https://twitter.com/MrMKimber/status...76097738256387

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ervatives.html

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Exactly. Whilst Old Boy is telling everyone to wait until the report is published, he's also telling them that there is insufficient evidence for a prosecution. :confused:

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Jeebers this is all getting like a playground argument...

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I cannot believe how people are so quick to form a firm judgement before they get the full facts! Can people really not wait a few days?

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Well, obviously, he is alluding to the tiresome trivia of the whole thing when there are far more important things to worry about.

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This is getting childish now.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

But you declared him innocent of criminal charges before knowing the facts ! :erm:

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

From what we know. I have said pretty consistently that we should wait for the Gray report.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

"Sponge cakes Sir - thousands of em"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJ-njmrW...jpg&name=small

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Sir limp biscuit fails again, what a pathetic waste of space this man is.


And the humble crofter still playing the same broken record.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Another day, another problem. This time Johnson's denials on the Afghan evacuations are contradicted by an email!
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/stat...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Update. Here's the Sky News report
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...ggest-12525830

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

He just lies as a matter of instinct. Even when he doesn't need to do so.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Does he really not have a moral compass? ie If questioned, is his instinct to tell them what they want to hear as oppose to the truth, on the calculated chance that there is little chance the public will find out the truth?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

He gives the answer that will get him out of today’s problem - he doesn’t think ahead.

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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Here's Johnson denying his involvement.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60143279

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Thats complete nonsense.

John Major took over from Maggie without any new election.
Gordon Brown took over from Tony Blair with no new election.

Major was elected again 2 years later, while still leader of the party, Brown wasnt, as labout lost the election 3 years later.


(if you go even further back, Callaghan took over from Wilson, again, no election for 3 years, until Labout lost in 1979)

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Yeah, he is just trying to scare MPs that if they change leader they might lose their seats but the 2019 intake likely followed politics before 2019 :rolleyes:

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Honestly, does he think they're all thick or something just because they don't have Eton accents? :td:

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

He's saying the public won't accept it.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

The public have done all the time though, well used to it by now.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

How would he know - did he ask his nanny?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Conservative voters might be ok with it, but others may feel robbed of an election unless they know they can't win.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I dont recall anyone feeling robbed when Major took over from Thatcher, or Brown took over from Blair.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

i did.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

He who ate all the cakes.:D

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Oh, you clever boy. Just one thing:

Intervene: To take part in something so as to prevent or alter a result or course of events.

Authorise: To give official permission for something to happen, or to give someone official permission to do something.

BJ did not say he hadn’t authorised it, he said he didn’t intervene. Two different things, obviously.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

When you have to resort to casuistry, you’re backing the wrong horse - but to be fair, you’re so far up Johnson’s fundament, you can probably see papa smurf’s shoe soles… ;)

If someone authorises something that’s an intervention - they’re altering a course of events by allowing it to happen; before Johnson’s authoritisation, it wasn’t likely to happen, because pets weren’t a priority.

No. 10 are still denying he did anything…

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...espite-denials

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I remember Major saying he thought they'd stretched the elasticity of democracy as far as it would go but that might have been about sleeze rather than him taking over, seems to be a rather toxic cycle of abuse this party rides with. It's irrelevant anyway as smugg is saying it's because the role is more presidential now than prime ministerial

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

You cease to be pedantic over use of words when it doesn’t suit you, Hugh.

Words have meanings, and if BJ says he didn’t intervene, most people know that this means he didn’t step in to bring it about. All he did was sign the proposal off - a proposal put to him to agree.

You don’t want to admit that of course, because like some others on here your judgement is clouded by your obsessional desperation to have BJ taken out.

My position? Just wait for the report and the police investigation. Hardly a revolutionary concept.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

You hold multiple and contradictory positions on this.

Position No. 1
Position No. 2

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

And if he hadn’t signed off the proposal?

He could have disagreed…

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Then he would have intervened....

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I repeat. I said from what we know.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Innocent from what we know is not the same as wait for the report.

And on that point, the fact that Sue Gray had to refer the report to the Metropolitan Police suggests something far removed from your overly optimistic speculation. If she had found nothing untoward, the Metropolitan Police would not be investigating. That's not speculation, that's based upon her terms of reference.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Let me try and explain it for the hard of understanding…

If he did nothing, it would have not happened, and nothing would have changed from the original situation.

He did something (authorised it), it happened - intervention.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

How about innocent until proven guilty? A cornerstone of the British judicial system.

Are the Met investigating the parties or Johnson?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

:clap::clap::clap:
I think your patience here far exceeds the usual reasonable adjustments required by law.

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https://news.sky.com/story/total-rhu...istan-12526582

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Well, that’s much more ‘enlightened’ than making your mind up that he was guilty on the basis of allegations only. I am prepared to concede that the report and/or the police investigation may confirm the views you have. I am not being dogmatic as some of you guys are.

I don’t accept your conclusion in the last paragraph. Clearly, she found something for the police to take into account or investigate. That on its own doesn’t making him guilty either.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I agree with the "innocent until proven guilty", but we are allowed opinions, and my opinion that Johnson is lying is based on the facts we know - he’s a proven liar (been fired a couple of times for lying), he is consistently dishonest (cheating on his wife multiple times, and on his current wife when they were not yet married), he has repeatedly failed to declare interests in the Members’ Register, there were the pictures of them in the garden eating cheese & wine during the lockdown, his admission that he was in a room with around 30 others who had gathered to sing "happy birthday" and eat cake and M&S snacks at a time when this wasn’t allowed, and many other examples.

When it walks like a lying duck, and sounds like a lying duck, it’s usually a lying duck…

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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Unless you’re just holding the picture up the wrong way! :D

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Getting your excuse in early, I see… ;)

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

From what we know….

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Gray ja vu.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Christ, is this farce still ongoing?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

The cake is the priority.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Said the last one to leave the party.... :)

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Yup, like a bad children's party, the clown's refusing to leave although the jokes have worn thin.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I see no mention of the numerous knife throwing acts?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Johnson is a duck ?
Well there goes the reptile theory :erm:

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

:tu:

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Posted elsewhere:

Kay Burley on SKYNEWS this morning speaking to a senior retired police officer.
"If the PM is found guilty what happens"
Retired Police Officer " He would get a fixed penalty notice"
Kay Burley: "Is that a criminal record"
Retired Police Officer: "No"
Burley face dropped ......

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

However, if it's proven he has lied in Parliament about these things...

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

………….then what?

It would have to be proven he deliberately lied, and was just not mistaken. If he was mistaken and he corrects himself…job done.

Even if he is found to have lied, the person that decides whether a minister should resign is……….the Prime Minister. So he would have to find himself guilty.


https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...icians-who-lie

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Then what? The Conservatives continue to nosedive in the polls, as the public is sick to death of Boris and his lies.
Even Labour is winning the CF poll, that should give them a wake up call if nothing else! ;)

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Agreed, willing to be proved wrong, but that's something that I don't think normally happens in the polls we have here, at this rate Paul may have to change the blue colour scheme!

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Oh gee wizz, they’re currently winning by 1 vote. I got to lie down. :rolleyes:

Meanwhile….

BREAKING: Pen Farthing, Founder and owner of Nowzad dogs charity is to seek legal action over what he considers to be lies being told by media and MPs, in that animals were NOT put before human lives, he tweeted this a few hours ago:

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Seems a bit odd? From what I understand it's pretty cut and dry that there were limited amounts of flights and one of them was taken up by his plane, and people were left behind.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Seemingly, another u-turn from the Met.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60166997

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Yes, by a staggering 42% v 36%!
[For any Johnson fans out there, don't worry, I don't think the sample size is sufficient nor the audience representative of UK voters, to draw any meaningful conclusions.]

In reality, the court of public opinion, just as they tried Blair and found him guilty, have tried Johnson and found him guilty. In the legal mind, both may well not be criminals but to many in the public mind they will be just that.

Johnson has become in a couple of years what Blair eventually became in a couple of terms- an electoral liability and not an electoral asset. The 20th May party has cut through. No.10 is paralysed and morale is low. The only way out is for Johnson to leave. It is in the national interests for a Prime Minister to focus on Ukraine and energy supplies. Not a Police investigation. The current incumbent is no longer able to do this.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Dame Dick playing a blinder for the Establishment.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

So another set of inquiry's kicked into the long grass. Who would have thought it.So Boris will march on.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Can be seen either way really. Ideally, you want the police to investigate this properly but obviously politically it helps him so can be seen as 'doing him a favour'. Really we shouldn't be in a situation where being investigated by the police is seen as helpful to a Prime Minister but here we are.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Some people are just never happy :rolleyes:

Everyone* cries for a police investigation, and now complain because the police say if a similar investigation releases information that *could* influence or jeopardize the police one it's a 'cover up'


*usual suspects

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

one did point this out

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...4#post36111054

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I had a chat about the latest events with my CPS friend, and they pointed this out to me…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1643364807

https://twitter.com/crimelinelaw/sta...541153792?s=12

However, they did deem it "unusual" that this would happen if it was only about Fixed Penalty Notices - normally, this might occur if it was about a potential interview strategy for something more than a FPN; if someone gave an statement to the Gray Inquiry that was not matched by another’s statement, the police might not want to let the first person know this until after it’s been followed up.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Just popping out to see my mate the Queen ttfn

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Sometimes you don't need a big sample size. Compare with
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33708500