Cable Forum - Will Scotland Leave the UK?

If Scotland is subsidised by Engerland then why is Mr Cameron trying to keep Britain together? If Scotland is subsidised then most parties would be in favour of a split. I feel that Scotland is providing more than they consume and that's why Scotland is wanted by the goverment

Or maybe the UK government don't want 300 years of history flushed down the pan at the hands of lies, spin and half truths.

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35707066)

Joke doing the rounds in my family that Salmond has been taking lessons in elections from Mugabe. It is no secret that I am fully in favour of Scotland voting yes, maybe then they will realise just how much English taxpayers subsidise their way of life. After Scotland, can we also have a vote in Wales and Northern Ireland please?

If we leave then Andy Murray won't be a British Wimbledon winner, and we all know how much you love him. :D

Osem	15-06-2014 22:01

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Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35707118)

If Scotland is subsidised by Engerland then why is Mr Cameron trying to keep Britain together? If Scotland is subsidised then most parties would be in favour of a split. I feel that Scotland is providing more than they consume and that's why Scotland is wanted by the goverment

Irrespective of finances, Labour would never be in favour of a split due to the disproportionately large number of MPs they retain in Scotland.

Damien

15-06-2014 22:21

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Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35707118)

I do disagree with this however. Scotland isn't subsidised but even if it were that would be no reason for a spilt. Wales is 'subsidised' but I wouldn't want them to break away. The North is also 'subsidised' but again breaking away would be awful. This is how a country works. Some areas generate more income than other areas but really no one is being subsidised as we're all one country. People move around, companies gain from customers across the Kingdom, they gain staff from across the kingdom too.

Its awfully insular to think in terms of region vs region. That's not too say some regions don't have issues unique to their area, poor transport in the South-West, collapse of industry in the North etc but our countries' resources aren't meant to be kept in the region from which they are generated.

Derek

16-06-2014 13:55

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The mask is slipping.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile...inney.24490040

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The Finance Secretary has set out proposals to borrow heavily in the first three financial years - 2016/17 to 2018/19 - after the planned formal split with the UK if Scots vote Yes in the referendum.

In an interview for The Herald's latest Scotland Decides referendum supplement this week, Mr Swinney said he wanted to turn his back on Chancellor George Osborne's austerity drive, which will limit rises in public spending to one per cent per year.

Instead he favoured borrowing to increase public spending by three per cent each year in the three years immediately following independence.

So no idea what the national debt would be, no idea what interest rates iScotland would be paying and no idea what currency we'd be using yet running up huge debts is the plan.

RizzyKing

16-06-2014 19:01

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Not surprised to be honest their whole plan seems to be guesswork and hope and yet they will still have plenty backing them up. Scots need to start realising how all this is playing in the wider world and how much credibility an independent Scotland will have in the eyes of the world.

Mr Angry

17-06-2014 00:02

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Draft "Constitution" published.

"A draft of the first constitution for an independent Scotland, legally asserting the sovereignty of the Scottish people but with the Queen as head of state, has been published by the SNP administration in Edinburgh".

Osem	17-06-2014 15:03

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35707330)

Not surprised to be honest their whole plan seems to be guesswork and hope and yet they will still have plenty backing them up. Scots need to start realising how all this is playing in the wider world and how much credibility an independent Scotland will have in the eyes of the world.

Thinks that's a bit unfair. It's based on what Bravemouth wants and has told everyone he's going to get. I'm sure he'll deliver on all those demands and promises... :rolleyes:

Derek

17-06-2014 15:51

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Slightly awkward for the guess camp who have made a big hoo hah about Scotland being nuclear free after independence.

http://m.stv.tv/news/glasgow/279363-...fter-yes-vote/

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More Scots believe Trident nuclear missiles should stay in the country if it becomes independent than think the weapons should be removed, according to a poll.

The National Attitudes survey found 41% of people north of the border said that if there is a Yes vote in September's referendum, Britain's nuclear submarines - currently sited on the Faslane base on the Clyde - could continue to be based there.

But 37% do not agree with the weapons remaining in Scotland if the country votes for independence.

Slightly related but assuming Salmond gets a yes vote, gets independence, gets rid of Faslane and gets into NATO (A lot of assumptions but that's the SNP way) would he bar nuclear powered and armed vessels from Scottish waters during exercises and visits?

Damien

17-06-2014 15:52

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35707426)

Interestingly they advocate their desire to join NATO while making it clear we'll have to remove Trident from Faslane as soon as possible and committing to a non-nuclear nation in a constitution. Yet more 'let's have our cake and eat it too'* politics from Salmond. He'll happily lecture us on nuclear weapon, demand they're removed from Scotland, and then sign up to be protected by the three nuclear states as part of NATO.

*although if it's your cake then that makes sense. Why should someone else have it? This isn't really his cake. It's ours and he claims he doesn't want the cake but really he'll take a bite of the cake while lecturing us about the amount of sugar it contains and boasting how he doesn't have cake! Fat git.

Hugh	17-06-2014 17:30

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Well, dual nationality it is then....

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Scottish citizenship

The following people automatically hold Scottish citizenship, namely—
(a) all those who, immediately before Independence Day, hold British citizenship and
either—
(i) are habitually resident in Scotland at that time, or
(ii) are not habitually resident in Scotland at that time but were born in Scotland

I thought there was a difference of opinion on this bit, but Wee Eck seems to think he's right

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European citizenship
A person holding Scottish citizenship is also, in accordance with Article 20.1 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, a citizen of the European Union.

nashville

17-06-2014 18:09

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I certainly hope we do not leave, We will be in the gutter while Salmon will think he is king of the castle

Chris

17-06-2014 20:03

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China is bullying Alex Salmond.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-27894257

Mr Pharmacist

18-06-2014 11:14

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Osem	18-06-2014 11:50

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:rofl:

Chris

18-06-2014 16:26

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YouGov's latest poll for the Sun gives No 53%, Yes 36% and d/k 11% - excluding the undecided, it's No 60% Yes 40%, which is *still*, after all the arguing, within the usual range of nationalist sentiment over the past several decades.

YouGov states that since the 'Yes Bounce' earlier this year, changes have been within their margin of error, so it's difficult to tell if anyone's opinion is actually still changing.

http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/06/18/...ce-no-lead-17/

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Meanwhile, Colin Montgomerie's got it in one. Poor Eck.

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